cuivre brass

[mullet]

Hi, I'm wondering if anyone knows how to get the "cuivre" brass style of playing out of Plat Brass. I'm citing this little clip here as my source.

http://matkat.tringali.org/mp3s/Beats/4.20.08%20DreamWorks.mp3

It's the intro to the Dreamworks cue for Transformers followed by my 'transcription' used to learn the library (I've had it for two days, hurray). Also, if anyone has any tips to make it sound a bit more authentic, i'd appreciate it. Logic Acoustic Guitar, everything else is EWQL platypus. not bad for a day and a half, if i may say so.

thanks

Oh, i forgot to mention that there are no minor 3rd trills in the strings, so the opening string part isn't entirely correct, because i couldn't create a convincing violin trill from B to D

[paulwr]

Hi, I'm wondering if anyone knows how to get the "cuivre" brass style of playing out of Plat Brass. I'm citing this little clip here as my source.

http://matkat.tringali.org/mp3s/Beats/4.20.08%20DreamWorks.mp3

It's the intro to the Dreamworks cue for Transformers followed by my 'transcription' used to learn the library (I've had it for two days, hurray). Also, if anyone has any tips to make it sound a bit more authentic, i'd appreciate it. Logic Acoustic Guitar, everything else is EWQL platypus. not bad for a day and a half, if i may say so.

thanks

Oh, i forgot to mention that there are no minor 3rd trills in the strings, so the opening string part isn't entirely correct, because i couldn't create a convincing violin trill from B to D

Hey, your doing a very good thing, emulating some orchestration. You can poke around for more articulations. Maybe tweak some EQ. Keep at it and you'll gain proficiency very rapidly.

I use a very high percentage of EW orchestral library in my work. Probably around 85-90 percent. Sometimes other libraries can help. I think right now, keep getting as close as you can with the EW stuff.

Good job,
-Paul

[mullet]

thanks, I had a job scoring the reference tracks for the shows for Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines for some 2.5 years during school (graduated last may), so I've had lots of practice lifting large ensembles from records. but this is my first time trying to mock them up. normally i'd score it out in finale, and send the guys i worked for that midi file and pdf of the score, and they'd humanize them.

Anyway. I'm still having trouble getting the trumpet articulation to sound the way the original does. I'm sure part of it is the whole room/analog recording equipment used/inherit distortion-overtone action from a brass choir. But it should be possible to emulate the phrasing, and style, right? I'm not sure what's wrong, but notes just don't sit the same, and i'm not sure if it's note length, or what that's causing it. any thoughts would be appreciated. I went through and fixed the guitar, and tweaked it a bit more. I don't know how to use EQ

[paulwr]

thanks, I had a job scoring the reference tracks for the shows for Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines for some 2.5 years during school (graduated last may), so I've had lots of practice lifting large ensembles from records. but this is my first time trying to mock them up. normally i'd score it out in finale, and send the guys i worked for that midi file and pdf of the score, and they'd humanize them.

Anyway. I'm still having trouble getting the trumpet articulation to sound the way the original does. I'm sure part of it is the whole room/analog recording equipment used/inherit distortion-overtone action from a brass choir. But it should be possible to emulate the phrasing, and style, right? I'm not sure what's wrong, but notes just don't sit the same, and i'm not sure if it's note length, or what that's causing it. any thoughts would be appreciated. I went through and fixed the guitar, and tweaked it a bit more. I don't know how to use EQ

Go have it pretty close. EQ on the brass is going to help, especially the trumpets for those 'shimmering' highs those trumpets have in the orig track. If you don't have solid tools for this and need to go as cheap as you can, a VERY nice little bundle for about $160 is Waves Musician Bundle II. You'll get the great Renaissance Equalizer, Renaissance Compressor, Renaissance Vox (great compression/limiting for orchestra) among some other things.

If you must do realistic midi mock-ups, you are going to need to practice 'turning the knobs'. While there are books and more books on the subject, the best in the business say just keep turning knobs and listen. The more you turn knobs and listen, the more you know about it, simple as that. You have good ears or you wouldn't be as close as you are now to the orig track.

Good luck,
-Paul

[mullet]

Thanks, paul. But that still didn't answer my question about getting the cuivre style. it's a performance thing, not an EQ thing. The way they play it on the original tape. So, any tips to get better performance from my brass sequencing?

[johng]

use staccato brass for the short notes