Best Piece of Music Ever Writen?

[OneThrow]

I am sure this is a tired old worn out topic, but what the hell!

This has to be a very personal choice based upon musical experience and bias, so there can be no definitive piece.

Mine is Beethoven's 9th Symphony. Especially the bit in the last movement where the Ode to Joy is introduced, up to when the voices come in.

I have an old recording on vinyl by Karjan and the Berlin Philharmonic which I can no longer play, that's my favourite.

[nikolas]

Date: 22/05/2008

Stravinsky Rite of Spring

Date: 23/05/2008


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Date: 24/05/2008

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[oleJoergensen]

Prelude to Lohengrin- Wagner.

Solti/ Wiener philharmoniker 1987

[A.Leung]

Sinfonia Antarctica- Vaughn Williams

[iLoked]

Jean Sibelius: Symphony nr. 7 in C, Op. 105

[nickysnd]

The Beatles -- Hey Bulldog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGrEZH7j1bQ

Enjoy!

:)

[PaulR]

Oh Yes! These were the best days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6G7MkBMVxE

[OneThrow]

Date: 22/05/2008

Stravinsky Rite of Spring

Date: 23/05/2008


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Date: 24/05/2008

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And what will it be tomorrow I wonder?

Why has Let It Be never been released on DVD?

[JaapVisser]

Olivier Messiaen: Quatuor pour la fin du temps

[PaulR]

I like this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgrrQwLdME8&feature=related

[peter5992]

JS Bach - Das Wohltemperierte Klavier / Mozart - Don Giovanni / Wager - Liebestod (introduction to Tristan und Isolde). Just can't decide.

ps loved the Beatles videos

[Dave Bourke]

No contest.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=BMikAeK8rL0

Kind regards.

[White Noise 2]

Date: 22/05/2008

Stravinsky Rite of Spring

Date: 23/05/2008


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Date: 24/05/2008

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Oooh. Good choice! Mahler 5 or the second movement of Barber's Violin Concerto. Mb, Threnody for the victims of Hiroshima by Penderecki?

[MPDmike]

Beethoven's Third Symphony - for the impact it had on its first audience - pushing into a close second place the Rite of Spring, for the same reason. It is difficult to compare music from different eras, but the ability for shock and awe is the trademark of all great art.

[Jeff Hayat]

If anyone says 3:18 by Cage, they are in for an ass-whoopin'.

Mine:

Mozart's 40th.

[Counterpoint]

Ok this one is a personal favourite... Mozart's Symphony #1 in E flat major (aka "Pretty darned good for an 8-year-old composer").

Other than that, I can't seem to get this particular song out of my head:

Weird Al: Weasel Stomping Day (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEOAh9RDIfI)


- Matt

[OneThrow]

That weasle video... it kinda gets t' ya. :D

I also like Mozart's A Musical Joke. If there was a list for pieces of music that take the Arthur Bliss, that would be at the top.

[Raphael]

Claudio Monteverdi: Orfeo

It's not my favourite opera. But we should respect that it was the first opera that ever has been written and it was perfect immediately. Perhaps this was also the very beginnig of film music:confused::D

[PaulR]

Somewhere on a train in Dorset - one of my favourite songs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5kOS7zrMk

[Thomas Regin]

Billy Ray Cyrus: Achy Breaky Heart

[Counterpoint]

Billy Ray Cyrus: Achy Breaky Heart

Argh!!! I had finally gotten that one out of my head and you just put it right back in...

Nnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

[OneThrow]

Mmm. Mainly European, classical traditon, Beatles. Are we really that conservative?

(By the way, I'm not knocking it, just asking the question.)

[nickysnd]

If you think of it, the European musical tradition is the least conservative of all, and The Beatles were the least conservative within that least-conservative tradition.

Besides that, who is "we"? Subjectivity is subjectivity and individual tastes are individual tastes, end of story.

EDIT -
When you ask for "the best piece of music ever written," expect people to come up with some known pieces and not with some avantgarde rigmarole.

[MPDmike]

Mmm. Mainly European, classical traditon, Beatles. Are we really that conservative?

(By the way, I'm not knocking it, just asking the question.)
Don't tell me you have heard a memorable piece of Gamelan music?

Perhaps the people on this forum are just more comfortable with the standard western tradition. I like to listen to Indian, African and Latin American music, but I don't find any particular piece shouting out at me as being the best piece of music ever written. I am struggling to learn to play the guitar piece Maxixe by Barrios at the moment - a piece I find to be full of fun and life - but it is hardly one of the "great" works of all time.

I expect that those best pieces of music will be composed by that handful of recognised genius grade composers, like J.S. Bach, Mozart, Beethoven ... why did many of the others bother to pen anything, only to have it gather dust in some museum.

[OneThrow]

nickysnd

I have always thought of the myself as being conservative because I am an admirer of the European musical tradition. You've given me food for thought.

And yes I should not have used the word "we".


EDIT -
When you ask for "the best piece of music ever written," expect people to come up with some known pieces and not with some avantgarde rigmarole.

Forcefully put and I can't disagree.

Don't tell me you have heard a memorable piece of Gamelan music?



I regret I have only heard some Gamelan music, and I only have a vague impression of it. And that is my limitation so thank you for pointing it out.

[PaulR]

Mmm. Mainly European, classical traditon, Beatles. Are we really that conservative?

Heheh. Ok. Here's our local band. I see the lads have quite a few views on this one. TURN IT DOWN BOYS!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR2DpgV8fPw


:D

[PaulR]

Here's a group of guys with a combined age of about 200 - although they look much older. One the greatest rock bass players of all time - he's so knackered - he can't even stand up. :D Couple of great tracks - and I WAS THERE. :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVu-KC6Itq4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS_F6iisccA

[chest]

If anyone says 3:18 by Cage, they are in for an ass-whoopin'.
Is that a shortened version of 4' 33"?

[MPDmike]

I regret I have only heard some Gamelan music, and I only have a vague impression of it. And that is my limitation so thank you for pointing it out.
Sorry OneThrow, I was trying to make a joke there. Although Gamelan music is very complex, it can all sound the same when you don't know what you are listening for.

[nickysnd]

and I WAS THERE. :p
Paul,

uhm ...

...

you're not Brian May ... are you? ...

[nickysnd]

If anyone says 3:18 by Cage, they are in for an ass-whoopin'.

Is that a shortened version of 4' 33"?
No, it's just these punk kids who play it faster... and louder... Such a shameless lack of respect for the masters...

[MPDmike]

Is that a shortened version of 4' 33"?
Whether it is played at 4' 33" or 3' 18", I have yet to hear a virtuoso performance of this work. Unfortunately I have never had the opportunity to attend a live rendition, and recordings on CD do not adequately capture all the details of the concert hall.

[OneThrow]

Whether it is played at 4' 33" or 3' 18", I have yet to hear a virtuoso performance of this work. Unfortunately I have never had the opportunity to attend a live rendition, and recordings on CD do not adequately capture all the details of the concert hall.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP35nwx7XjE

[PaulR]

Paul,

uhm ...

...

you're not Brian May ... are you? ...


Heheh! Interesting you say that Nicky. When I was at college, Brian and his girlfriend were my next door neighbours. He's a lot older than me of course. :D

The drummer of Queen married my girlfriend's sister (at the time of course) ;) Very good group in a lot of ways.

And he has a degree in Astrophysics - a great interest of mine.

Anyway, enough about me and these old farts - here's something really good.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkHn8PNGYaA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtAGwqibKHc

[Jeff Hayat]

Is that a shortened version of 4' 33"?


Oops - is it 4:33? Well, that's what I meant. Tho a shortened version would be so much better. Shortened to 0:00.

Huh - calling that a work of music. What an asswipe that guy is.

[MPDmike]

And he has a degree in Astrophysics - a great interest of mine.
Wow, so we are back to Holst's Planets then?

[PaulR]

Wow, so we are back to Holst's Planets then?

Brian May could tell you all about that and the why's and wherefores of some of the writing aspects of The Planets I don't doubt.

[OneThrow]

Used to be my favourite.

My old man's a dustman,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Qf5kaiQ9o

And

Does your chewing gum lose its flavour

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b13gRaxHcXY

which I discovered a little later. Both by Lonnie Donegan.

Where would the Beatles have been without skiffle!;)

[nickysnd]

And he has a degree in Astrophysics - a great interest of mine.
Wow, so we are back to Holst's Planets then?
;)

Far from them. Holst's Planets are astrological, metaphysical, spiritual, and, ultimately, musical -- nothing to do with Astrophysics.

Since Newton's discovery of how apples behave in the neighborhood of earth, and of the reasons for apples' behaviour, Astrophysics has become like a national hobby in England, something like soccer, eh?

(funny how things get related to each other, just like the planets...:rolleyes: rules of universal attraction, baby :D)

[remmet]

My current favorite: The Chaconne from Bach's Dm violin partita, one of the most majestic and spiritual pieces of music ever written, imho. There have been many, many re-orchestrations of it, for orchestra, piano, guitar, cellos, and more. It is almost limitless.

Other top favs:

Mahler's 6th and 8th.

Bach: St. Matthew Passion.

Messiaen: Trois Petites Liturgies

Ives: 4th symphony

Stravinsky: Symphony of Psalms

Speaking of gamelan music -- I used to play in Javanese gamelan orchestras, and over the years I've come to appreciate how much the music of Bach and Ives (and others) and the Indonesian gamelan tradition inhabit very similar worlds in terms of the contrapuntal layering of independent lines that have a life of their own, but which combine to create interesting and unexpected textures and form a cohesive, cooperative, and interdependent sonic ecosystem. Similar to the way I hope human interaction will someday work.

Richard
www.richardemmet.com

[nickysnd]

contrapuntal layering of independent lines that have a life of their own, but which combine to create interesting and unexpected textures and form a cohesive, cooperative, and interdependent sonic ecosystem. Similar to the way I hope human interaction will someday work.
Well put.

Except that those musical layers are artificialities made up on the purpose to "interact" well together -- while humans' purpose is NOT to interact well together. Humans' purpose is the selfish pursuit of personal happiness. Interaction is only a means for that individual purpose. Good interaction is not that which works seamlessly, like music. Good interaction is that which serves _my_ well-being.

Do you think that mobile phones and other communication-based companies, including internet providers, care about interaction? ;)

Back to *best* piece of music. As I see it, a good piece of music is one that features clear-cut themes, not some mixture of layers. In a good piece, counterpoint should be only accompaniment -- supporting structure for themes.

[remmet]

Well put.

Except that those musical layers are artificialities made up on the purpose to "interact" well together -- while humans' purpose is NOT to interact well together. Humans' purpose is the selfish pursuit of personal happiness. Interaction is only a means for that individual purpose. Good interaction is not that which works seamlessly, like music. Good interaction is that which serves _my_ well-being.

Perhaps you're selling humankind a bit short. Sure, the me, me, me, all-about-me perspective is the norm in a large portion of the U.S. (they're called Republicans ;) ), but think of something as small as the family unit. Do parents compete with their children to hoard all the goodies for themselves, or do they acquire and share things for the general well-being of the entire family? Maybe as we evolve, this model will expand beyond the family, the tribe, etc. and embrace a larger vision of community.

Back to music. As I see it, a good piece of music is one that features clear-cut themes, not some mixture of layers. In a good piece, counterpoint should be only accompaniment -- supporting structure for themes.

Again, that's one way of looking at it. But I suspect your description would leave out a lot of great music. And certainly Bach's contrapuntal lines consist of some extraordinary themes, even as they simultaneously function as part of an integrated, layered whole.


Richard

[OneThrow]

Although not top about 3rd or 4th. Bartok Concerto for Orchestra. I love the 4th movement.

[nickysnd]

Perhaps you're selling humankind a bit short. Sure, the me, me, me, all-about-me perspective is the norm in a large portion of the U.S. (they're called Republicans ;) ), but think of something as small as the family unit. Do parents compete with their children to hoard all the goodies for themselves, or do they acquire and share things for the general well-being of the entire family? Maybe as we evolve, this model will expand beyond the family, the tribe, etc. and embrace a larger vision of community.
Perhaps I'm selling humankind a bit short. Perhaps your view above is just your wishful thinking. Maybe, as we evolve, families, tribes, republicans, nations, countries, etc. will become part of prehistory. Or maybe that's my wishful thinking. :)

When looking at humans' actions, motivations, purposes, it looks like "The ME Perspective" is paramount. In everything they do, everyone only considers his/her advantage. Taking care of children? The parents do that for their own sake, not for the children's. A mother won't abandon her child because that would make her feel bad about herself. Those who don't feel bad about that, they do abandon their children. But first, to be born -- is this the interest of the unborn children? Ultimately, a mother cares for nothing but this: her own well-being (the well-being of the child is only part of her selfish well-being). Altruism is a myth, doesn't exist. Each person is a selfish individual. And it is good to be so. Only animals put herd's interests above their own. Humans are individuals, and their occasional herd behaviors are just atavisms. It's precisely individualism that makes humans superior. Our ancestor is the rebellious, selfish ape, who started to think for herself. ;) Give up individualism, and we'll be apes again, only worse.

Again, that's one way of looking at it. But I suspect your description would leave out a lot of great music.
No, my description only leaves out the not-so-great music. Great music is what I call great music. Bach's pieces that I call good, they are good only because I like them. Same for you, and everyone else. What _me_ doesn't like, that can't be great, that's just mediocre music. There is no such thing as generic good music, music that must be good for everyone -- that's nonsense.

And certainly Bach's contrapuntal lines consist of some extraordinary themes, even as they simultaneously function as part of an integrated, layered whole.
Agree about Bach -- except that for me, a whole, when perceived as layered, it ceases to be a whole. But I forgot to mention that, to me, a theme is not a single melodic line, but a single musical gesture. For example, the 1st prelude in WTK is one gesture, one theme. I was saying that good music exposes clear-cut themes that are not buried under excessive (or awkward) conterpointing lines. That prelude is pretty neat, a perfect example of what I call a good theme. Again -- good music is: the music that I like. :)

Sometimes we agree, some other times our views and aesthetics differ. And it is good to be so -- we are individuals.

[nikolas]

When looking at humans' actions, motivations, purposes, it looks like "The ME Perspective" is paramount. In everything they do, everyone only considers his/her advantage. Taking care of children? The parents do that for their own sake, not for the children's. A mother won't abandon her child because that would make her feel bad about herself. Those who don't feel bad about that, they do abandon their children. But first, to be born -- is this the interest of the unborn children? Ultimately, a mother cares for nothing but this: her own well-being (the well-being of the child is only part of her selfish well-being). Altruism is a myth, doesn't exist. Each person is a selfish individual. And it is good to be so. Only animals put herd's interests above their own. Humans are individuals, and their occasional herd behaviors are just atavisms. It's precisely individualism that makes humans superior. Our ancestor is the rebellious, selfish ape, who started to think for herself. ;) Give up individualism, and we'll be apes again, only worse.
EDIT:

Never mind. Wrong reply (again).

I dissagree to that. That's all! :)

[nickysnd]

Whether or not I have children, that makes no difference for the points stated. This is an internet discussion, no reason to go personal about it. Think of it as "food for thought." You may find flaws in my points or you may not. Of course, my points are based on my own experience, perception of facts, and way of thinking. Just as anyone else's. Feel free to express your own points. Just please don't turn it personal.

Is it incorrect to say that giving birth to children is a selfish act, in the interest of the parents? Do the unborn children ask to be born, so that the parents, out of altruism, bring them into the world? I'd say no -- parents do that for themselves, and sometimes out of instinct, which is also selfish. My point was that there is nothing altruistic about giving birth to children and then taking care of them. These are both selfish activities IMO. Selfish is good. Altruism is a myth, a lie.

[nikolas]

Thought about it, already and edited my post accordingly ;) (before your post actually).

I do find it weird when someone goes "I have not heard this piece of music but it sucks", but whatever... ;)

[nickysnd]

Thought about it, already and edited my post accordingly ;) (before your post actually).

I do find it weird when someone goes "I have not heard this piece of music but it sucks", but whatever... ;)
Man.

Make up your mind.

:)

OTOH, does your last sentence mean: "the one who has no children believes that children suck" ?

If so, then you are partially correct: babies do suck! Fingers, nipples, toys, etc. :D

Please, stay away from personal assumptions. Having children, do you think that makes you altruistic? Or that it makes you right while making me wrong? (that is, presuming that I don't have children, which you don't know.) I may have more children than you do, :) and that wouldn't make any difference for the points of this discussion.

[nikolas]

Make up my mind about what? Posted and edited in 5 minutes in order to avoid getting personal. Where's the problem in that? Unless you mean something else. :P LOL!

The point being is that if I've not tasted... chicken I can't say if I like it or not. If you don't have children you can't tell how it is to love and care for them.

And btw, I would, honestly, give my life for my kids. Don't know about you, but can't see this selfish in any way. Altruistic maybe? But don't care about such things. I care about the well being of my children. Nothing else!

[nickysnd]

Make up my mind about what? Posted and edited in 5 minutes in order to avoid getting personal. Where's the problem in that? Unless you mean something else. :P LOL!

The point being is that if I've not tasted... chicken I can't say if I like it or not. If you don't have children you can't tell how it is to love and care for them.

And btw, I would, honestly, give my life for my kids. Don't know about you, but can't see this selfish in any way. Altruistic maybe? But don't care about such things. I care about the well being of my children. Nothing else!
First, of course I have no problem with you editing your post. That was a joke, hence the smiley. :) But you already know that.

Second, my point was that the love and care for children are not altruistic, but selfish. One doesn't need to have children in order to observe that giving birth to children is very selfish from the parents part. But selfish is good -- that's what you apparently fail to see, and you probably give "selfish" a bad name (many do). To me it is our most human quality. I'd say, the best quality on planet Earth, if not even the supreme good in the observable Universe. ;)

Third, the "care for children" point, which I have already addressed. My point was that the well-being of your children has become part of your own well-being. Since their birth, your own selfishness makes it hard, if not impossible to accept failure in taking care of your children. When they get ill, you give up everything and take exclusive care of them, because failing to do so would seriously damage your own well-being. If your own well-being wouldn't depend on their well-being, you wouldn't care about them. That's selfish. That's good.

Of course you would give your life for your children. That's because you are a selfish (=good, normal) parent. Every parent would give his life for his child, nothing altruistic about that. You would try to save your kid's life at the price of yours because you would refuse to live in the shame and despair of not having tried to save your child's life. That's not altruistic. That's taking caring about your own self through saving your kid's life. You take care of your kids because you do care for your own self -- and not the other way around. That's selfish, good.

Here's a true story that looks a lot like "altruism" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N2zhu5RH34

Notice that the man had his little daughters with him. He could have thought: "Sorry, I got two kids to raise, can't leave them here and jump in front of the train, too bad for the poor guy down there." Instead, he thought something else, I've hear it on tv the day it happened, the man was saying to the reporter something like "hey don't overblow it man, I'm no hero, it could have been me down there and I wish that someone would have done the same thing for me." So, he was doing it for himself, not for that stranger. That's selfishness, the greatest good of all. That's humanity at its highest peak.

When risking you life for your children or for a stranger, you are doing it for yourself. That's very selfish of you, and that's good for you, for me, and for everyone else. :)

[Counterpoint]

When risking you life for your children or for a stranger, you are doing it for yourself. That's very selfish of you, and that's good for you, for me, and for everyone else. :)

Interesting discussion... the "selfish self" is a valid philosophy, though it seems like a bit of a cop-out to me as it doesn't really explain "why".

The argument takes a lot for granted, especially the mechanism for "conscience". So a person only does nice things because it makes them feel bad to not do it, because their "conscience" tells them it is right or wrong? Interesting then that some people have the ability to behave "selflessly" while others do not.

What is gratitude then, and what purpose does it serve? More selfishness?

Self sacrifice to save the life of another person is selfish? How is that justified? There are two outcomes here... one where the "potentially selfless" person does nothing, feels initially badly about it, but probably goes on living a healthy and happy life. The other outcome? They die and lose _everything_. Why would anyone choose the second outcome?

- Matt

[nickysnd]

Interesting discussion... the "selfish self" is a valid philosophy, though it seems like a bit of a cop-out to me as it doesn't really explain "why".
I wouldn't call that philosophy. Philosophy is a systematic quest for truth. What I was saying is little more than a hypothesis, not even a theory. More like a superficial explanation of facts. Humans seem to have a basic drive that is different from animals' drives. I think that drive to be the selfishness, which looks to me like a very positive quality.

As about being evasive -- everything is. ;) Also, we already talked about the endless "why" -- it goes in spiral, and sometimes in closed circle: Why do we behave that way? Because we are selfish. Why are we selfish? Because if we weren't selfish, we'd be animals. Why aren't we animals? Because we are selfish. Why are we selfish? Because if we weren't selfish, ... :)

The argument takes a lot for granted, especially the mechanism for "conscience". So a person only does nice things because it makes them feel bad to not do it, because their "conscience" tells them it is right or wrong? Interesting then that some people have the ability to behave "selflessly" while others do not.
Conscience is about right and wrong. An action can be right/wrong either for the individual, or for the herd. Animals obey the herd's "consciousness." Humans seem more inclined to "obey" their own, individual, consciousness. IMO, the more individualistic, subjective, selfish, one gets -- the better. That is, the better for him and also for all. But he is not concerned about the benefit of all, only about his own benefit. I think that's one fundamental characteristic of humans, also the most beneficial (for one and for all).

What is gratitude then, and what purpose does it serve? More selfishness?
Precisely. Gratitude serves a selfish purpose -- "Although I know that you did it for your own sake, I thank you, for I have also benefited from your action. I thank you also because I want you to have a good impression about me. I don't want other people to have a bad impression about me, that would work against my own interest. I'm selfish and aware of it, therefore I'm civilized." :cool:

Self sacrifice to save the life of another person is selfish? How is that justified? There are two outcomes here... one where the "potentially selfless" person does nothing, feels initially badly about it, but probably goes on living a healthy and happy life. The other outcome? They die and lose _everything_. Why would anyone choose the second outcome?
Where did you see self sacrifice for the benefit of the other? The benefit of the other comes second, after _my_ own benefit. The benefit of the other is only a mean. _My_ benefit is the goal. "Self sacrifice for the benefit of the other," as a purpose in itself, is a myth, never happened. Each and every person only cares about this: her own well-being. Some people do a so-called "self-sacrificial" act for the sake of their names: "I will die and my good name will live forever." Or for some religious reward: "I will go to heaven." I wouldn't call that selflessness. I'd call that: exaggerated selfishness that beats its own purpose.

As for the two outcomes you described, that's selfishness in both cases. Only that one does have free will, so that one can chose between two selfish actions. The second outcome is also selfish: dying is "becoming a postmortem hero" -- the exaggerated selfishness I was just talking about. Selflessness? I cannot think of one single example of selflessness in the whole human history. That's why I was saying that altruism, selflessness, are myths, lies. They are used by the herd (tribes, nationalists, terrorists, military, etc.) to trick weak individuals into false beliefs, and make them act against their own benefit and for the benefit of the herd. That's why I was saying that selfishness seems to me like the human greatest good of all. When everyone will be truly selfish, when everyone will put selfishness at the center of human values, then we all will live together in mutual respect and peace. Nothing to kill or die for, imagine... ;)

[OneThrow]

Nicky

What you propose seems to have a lot in common with John Nash's game theory.

[nikolas]

nickysnd,

I do see what you mean, but I still stand by that some people simply don't buy the after life nonesense... So... nothing to gain by dying.

I do realise that doing something good will make you feel good, etc, but I simply can't limit it to that. As you very well know I don't think in right/wrong 100%. I leave some gap and chances for something else as well. Why can't it be a combination of things? See a guy who is in pain, and you help him out. The thankful guy doesn't mean anything to you, you won't meet him again. Yes, it makes you feel good, but it could also mean you went in a lot of trouble for helping him (maybe loose a date, or something). In the end though, somebody needed help and you gave it. Because they needed help. It's a combination of all of these. I can't take any of these out. It is partly selfish, in the way that you describe it, there's no way out of what you describe (although the postmortem hero thing is a little far fetched if you ask me), but I do think there are other factors at play as well. At least I'd like to believe there are.

[OneThrow]

This may be of interest.

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/being-human/dn10750-why-altruism-paid-off-for-our-ancestors.html

[PaulR]

Life is actually more like this -:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grg5tULy0tY

[OneThrow]

More clearly understood like this:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF4qii8S3gw

[nickysnd]

This may be of interest.

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/being-human/dn10750-why-altruism-paid-off-for-our-ancestors.html
Very poor reasoning in that article. First, they fail to give a good definition of what are they are talking about. Here is their take on altruism:
"In every society, humans make personal sacrifices for others with no expectation that it will be reciprocated. For example, we donate to charity, or care for the sick and disabled."
So, according to them, when I do something that benefits another individual, if I don't expect reciprocation, that means that I do it out of altruism. That's plain stupid. If I don't expect reciprocation, that doesn't make me an altruist. That only makes me a selfish person who doesn't care about reciprocation. The author of that article wrongly assume that there can be only one reward: reciprocation. That's false. How about this reward: instant pleasure. "Man, I feel so damn good when I help you out." It's even a triple pleasure:
1) a good feeling while doing it, also
the rewarding awareness (which lasts) that I am a good person, both
2) in my own eyes and
3) in the other person eyes. (there may also be some witnesses, that'll be a bonus)
How's that for an "altruist?" What reciprocation?? That's ridiculous. "Keep your reciprocation man, I don't need your reciprocation in order to feel good. Also, take notice, I am not a bad person, I'm a good person, and I love to be good. What I just did is the living proof of how good I am. If you think of it, I'm the best person around. Man, I love me! I'm a very selfish person, otherwise I wouldn't have moved a finger for you." So there. :cool:

Altruism is doing something that only benefits another person than the doer, who is doing it for no reward whatsoever. Gratuitously. For no personal reason at all. Totally free. Completely unjustified by any possible advantage for the doer. Do such an act, and in that very moment you will be an altruist. Now, I hope that you will agree that only an idiot can be altruist, selfless. No such thing as "free lunch." :) Actually, nothing that we do is for free. We are, each one of us, selfish individuals. It's what makes us good.

The other problem with that article is that it talks of humans as if they are animals. It only speaks of the herd's interests (group, tribe, species), failing to see humans as they truly are: individuals. Individuals are not part of a herd, and the more they evolve, the more they abhor the herd (and vice versa). And selfishness is the vehicle that propels them towards more and more civilized levels.

That article talks about apes, not about humans. It's disgusting to see a so called scientist mistaking humans for animals.

My point stands -- altruism doesn't exist and selfishness is the best human quality.

[nikolas]

Things are not black and white only. Agree or dissagree?

Because I do agree with your above post, nickysnd, only not at such extensive levels...

EDIT: Somehow that last sentence doesn't make much sense... (so I edited it to something coherent)

[OneThrow]

Nicky

I have read your posts with interest and respect and will continue to do so.

I cannot agree that selfishness in all its manifestations is the best human quality.

The definition of selfishness you use seems all encompassing and you state you can see no example of selflessness. It makes it difficult to have common ground upon which to make a counter arguement.

You say the example of a man saving the life of another man on the underground by jumping infront of a train is an act of selfishness in the good sense, and I have read and understood your arguement. I would call it an act of bravery, or even stupidity and I might even call it irrational.

The article on altruism was really about trying to explain early human behaviour in terms of their genes. There had been previous articles about the selfish gene and how it was important for human survival. If you are offended by its nature then I apologise and withdraw it as a contribution to this debate.

In another post I mentioned game theory by John Nash. He proposed (and I paraphrase very poorly) that all individuals act out of rational self interest, in a similar theory to your own and he made a mathmatical model of the economics of society.

The point is, he later refined his model. He believed he had overemphasised rational thinking on the part of humans.
I quote John Nash with the greatet respect, "Human beings are much more complicated than the 'human being as a businessman.' Human behaviour is not entirely motivated by self-interest of each human."

He goes on to say, "There is over-dependence on rationality; that is my enlightenment."

If humans act in self interest but are capable of irrational acts, that very act by its irrational nature cannot be motivated by self interest.

I am not trying to change your opinion. I offer this up as a constructive part to the discussion.

[nickysnd]

Life is actually more like this -:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grg5tULy0tY

More clearly understood like this:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF4qii8S3gw
:D :D :D :D :D

Never used 5 lols, but that really cracked me up. Suddenly lost my selfish interest on selfishness...

[remmet]

All this from my observation about about the similarities of Bach, Ives, and gamelan music? What hath I wrought?

R

[Javee]

Just read through all this..... Nickysnd, can't help but saying you sound a lot like my old Social Psych textbook :P

BTW, people DO often "follow the herd". It all ties into groupthink...

[MPDmike]

I can't help thinking that this thread has gone off the subject a little. We may all have our own views about what it means to be selfish or altruistic or whatever, but this will not be resolved in a thread like this, which was about ... well, music.

What makes 'great music' great could be put down to many characteristics, which can be expressed as individual opinions for instance. However, I don't think any music is "great" simply because I like to listen to it, or even because PaulR's music professor judged it great. The best music has been assessed by lots of people and been judged great by common consensus, sometimes over decades and by people in many different countries.

What is more interesting for me is what is going on in the head of the composer who wrote that great music. What was his/her emotional state of mind, how much were they affected by social conditions at the time, and what purpose did they have in creating the work. I think of examples like Shostakovich's 5th symphony, which was almost forced into existence by a complex mixture of personal pressures and historical inevitability.

Great music does not come into existence by scratching some Namby Pamby notation on a stave, rather it is the composer's RAGE and PASSIONS to express something EXTRAORDINARY, which they have to get out of their heads and into the public domain - and they do it primarily for themselves.

[Javee]

I agree, however, i think all of those nice words are something all of us here and soundsonline already understand and embrace. I'm under the impression that this threat was a more light-hearted one to post some songs you like. :)

[OneThrow]

I agree, however, i think all of those nice words are something all of us here and soundsonline already understand and embrace. I'm under the impression that this threat was a more light-hearted one to post some songs you like. :)

It is ;) And I was just thinking how much I like Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue.

[Javee]

Pat Metheny - Bright Size Life

[-joey-]

Mine is Beethoven's 9th Symphony. Especially the bit in the last movement where the Ode to Joy is introduced, up to when the voices come in.


Lmao, I have listened to that section so many times. Although Karajan's version is probably the best on the whole, I find the Vienna philharmonic do a beautiful version of those 5 mins. Karajan is just a little too fast for me. But, then we have Bernstein who took it to an extreme and it was far too slow.

I think my all time favourite is Dvorak's New World Symphony. I just love it so much. If I were to say i had a favourit, Dvorak is probably my favourite composer at the moment. The 8th symphony is close to the top also.

[MPDmike]

Lmao, I have listened to that section so many times. Although Karajan's version is probably the best on the whole, I find the Vienna philharmonic do a beautiful version of those 5 mins. Karajan is just a little too fast for me. But, then we have Bernstein who took it to an extreme and it was far too slow.

I think my all time favourite is Dvorak's New World Symphony. I just love it so much. If I were to say i had a favourit, Dvorak is probably my favourite composer at the moment. The 8th symphony is close to the top also.
Have you heard the Furtwangler version (http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Symphony-Furtw%C3%A4ngler-Schwarzkopf-Recordings/dp/B00000GCA7/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1211761236&sr=1-2) of the Beethoven 9th, which has many special qualities. I also like Dvorak, particularly his cello concerto.

[nickysnd]

Just read through all this..... Nickysnd, can't help but saying you sound a lot like my old Social Psych textbook :P
Sounds like a boring book.

BTW, people DO often "follow the herd". It all ties into groupthink...
I know. I feel for the poor little apes.

I can't help thinking that this thread has gone off the subject a little.
Then maybe the problem lies with the subject. Here are a few similar subjects: "Best Sample Library Ever Made," "Best Conductor Ever," "Best Pianist Who Ever Touched A Piano," "Best Food Ever Swallowed," "Best Car Ever Hit The Road," "Best Pet Ever Meowed," etc. When I will come up with such thread subjects, I expect it to be taken way off topic.

However, I don't think any music is "great" simply because I like to listen to it, or even because PaulR's music professor judged it great.
Right. You think it's great because it sounds great to you.

The best music has been assessed by lots of people and been judged great by common consensus, sometimes over decades and by people in many different countries.
I take back what I just said above. Now I rephrase it: You think it's great because "great" is a given, because its greatness "has been assessed by lots of people and been judged great by common consensus, sometimes over decades and by people in many different countries." The best music is: what the herd says it's best music.

Great music does not come into existence by scratching some Namby Pamby notation on a stave, rather it is the composer's RAGE and PASSIONS to express something EXTRAORDINARY, which they have to get out of their heads and into the public domain - and they do it primarily for themselves.
No way!! I thought they were doing it for the herd. Damn selfish bastards!

Here is a good read on this subject:
"Grosse Fuge was composed as the finale for the string quartet in B flat major, Op 130, which Beethoven began in May 1825 and completed in September of that year. It is a notoriously difficult work, and when first performed the audience apparently demanded encores of only two of the movements. "Why not the fugue?" Beethoven demanded. "Cattle! Asses!" he is reputed to have shouted. But despite criticism by contemporaries it is now seen as one of his most important works." ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/14/usa.arts )

Cattle is cattle. Individuals are individuals. Those are worlds apart.

Bottom line:
The herd doesn't qualify to have a say in what best music is. Best music is what each individual likes best.

[paulwr]

Oh, I don't know what's best, but I practically wore out my Frank Zappa LP and loved "Uncle Meat" the title track best, including all its permutations throughout the album.

-Paul

[OneThrow]

Then maybe the problem lies with the subject. Here are a few similar subjects: "Best Sample Library Ever Made," "Best Conductor Ever," "Best Pianist Who Ever Touched A Piano," "Best Food Ever Swallowed," "Best Car Ever Hit The Road," "Best Pet Ever Meowed," etc. When I will come up with such thread subjects, I expect it to be taken way off topic.



Yeah best evers are rubbish, but sometimes you just can't stop one of 'em breaking out. I feel another one coming on. How about "Best Ever of the Best Ever", now that would be really boring. Don't worry I've just resisted it.;)

Just noticed a spelling mistake in the title. Oh no not again.:o

[PaulR]

Oh, I don't know what's best, but I practically wore out my Frank Zappa LP and loved "Uncle Meat" the title track best, including all its permutations throughout the album.

-Paul

Yes indeed. The first Frank Zappa track I heard was in 1966 I think at a school friends house. I think it was called Wowie Zowie from Freak Out - after that I was hooked. It had a line - 'I had a flash in the afternoon' - or something - and that was unusual for the time.

And isn't this in Ab?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwEMxYggoKQ

[OneThrow]

Okay in some people's eyes this might not be a best ever and just about everything about it is wrong, including the last three chords which were written into the score. So why choose it? Its Tuesday, that seems a good enough reason to me.:rolleyes:

Mozart wrote this as an immitation of tavern musicians. I don't think it won him any friends.

Incidentally the theme was used by the BBC for the Horse of the year show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pQXNzwmaNo

[PaulR]

No one would ever believe that Mozart wrote that when the BBC used it for the Horse of the Year Show. It sounded like it had been especially written.

Incidentally, the version you posted is ridiculously slow to me - the version on the BBC all those years ago was much quicker and a lot messier.

Well, I guess it's almost another summer so a little more serious for today. Not too bad for a guy aged about 18 or 19 when he wrote this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8Q9dz1kse8

[Aer Gui Ta]

blue nile - hats

[Andrew Sigler]

I'm not sure what my favorite piece is, but Nikolas -vs- Nickysnd is a multi-movement work that seeminlgy never ends...

[OneThrow]

Loved the Clarinet solo at the start. George Butterworth, WW1 has a lot to answer for. :(

[paulwr]

Yes indeed. The first Frank Zappa track I heard was in 1966 I think at a school friends house. I think it was called Wowie Zowie from Freak Out - after that I was hooked. It had a line - 'I had a flash in the afternoon' - or something - and that was unusual for the time.


My first Zappa experience was the "Burnt Weeny Sandwich" album, also in 1966. We're giving too much away on this forum, Paul.

By the way, I just relocated to here in Nashville from the Denver area. I'll have to check out the Orchestra that I've heard you comment on.

-Paul

[PaulR]

My first Zappa experience was the "Burnt Weeny Sandwich" album, also in 1966. We're giving too much away on this forum, Paul.

By the way, I just relocated to here in Nashville from the Denver area. I'll have to check out the Orchestra that I've heard you comment on.

-Paul

Well, I wish I could post you some of our cues done recently by the Nashville Symphony Orchestra - but like all these things I'm under strict instructions not to do so under pain of death. I was only there for such a short visit but it looks like a very nice town to me - very friendly. Something that's fast being forgotten on this country. It's got a great sounding hall and the players are first class - funny accents but you can't have everything. :D

Whenever you hear respectable musicians on forums tell you that samples will one day take over from real first class players ALL PLAYING TOGETHER IN A GREAT CONCERT HALL (please note) - you have no idea how irritating that can sound. It's an entirely different thing - there's great things done with orchestral samples from guys that can really use them and they're a great tool for lazy people like me, no doubt about it - but to be better than a good real orchestra - never gonna happen.

Anyway - time for this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nNGlaiVypU

[Andrew Sigler]

Anyway - time for this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nNGlaiVypU

I don't' get it, but it's funny!

[paulwr]

Well, I wish I could post you some of our cues done recently by the Nashville Symphony Orchestra - but like all these things I'm under strict instructions not to do so under pain of death. I was only there for such a short visit but it looks like a very nice town to me - very friendly. Something that's fast being forgotten on this country. It's got a great sounding hall and the players are first class - funny accents but you can't have everything. :D

Whenever you hear respectable musicians on forums tell you that samples will one day take over from real first class players ALL PLAYING TOGETHER IN A GREAT CONCERT HALL (please note) - you have no idea how irritating that can sound. It's an entirely different thing - there's great things done with orchestral samples from guys that can really use them and they're a great tool for lazy people like me, no doubt about it - but to be better than a good real orchestra - never gonna happen.

Anyway - time for this.


What is so odd about most composers now using the samples is that, as an example, we usually compose for the best possible sound for the sample libraries to turn in for approval, it gets approved, and we have the case where the real orchestra is trying to emulate the sample library!! Just a very odd turn of events to me. Most any recent Zimmer & Company score can be use to show this.

I wouldn't mind hearing the Nashville cues in the final product. Hope you post about it when it is released.

-Paul

[OneThrow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3GarT7yPSM&feature=related

[MPDmike]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3GarT7yPSM&feature=related
Yes OneThrow, I remember seeing this live, and I thought it was one of the most exciting things I had seen on TV up to that point in time.

Good point you make there PaulR. Any real composer selects the sounds they want to use, because those sounds enhance or help to create the effect that they want to achieve. As with real instruments, a composer uses sample libraries like the colours on an artist's palette. That is the way I see sample libraries, simply as a library of sounds that are there to be used as and when they match the idea in the composer's head. Only an idiot would try to use samples just to demonstrate that they sound good on their own. Without the ingenuity of a well-thought out composition, the sample library is no more than a toy to tinker with.

[nickysnd]

Without the ingenuity of a well-thought out composition, the sample library is no more than a toy to tinker with.
I agree. Without a woman inside it, a dress is just a rag.

[PaulR]

Yes OneThrow, I remember seeing this live, and I thought it was one of the most exciting things I had seen on TV up to that point in time.

I remember that at the Palladium I think it was.

I think it's time for some serious music now. I've messed around too long.

Andre Previn is great conductor and here he is with the London Symphony Orchestra and Grieg's Piano Concerto - one of my favourite concertos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP8TUe993uo

[Aer Gui Ta]

blue nile - hats

[OneThrow]

Now I'm worried. I was looking at this last night.

All musicians should have a plaque on their wall that says,

"I was playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O189_vonxdc

[OneThrow]

Oh the wonders of modern technology. I don't think this could have been made with today's technology. Some might argue it would have been better. No chance. I like it the way it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywg-PdeGVL0

[Kaatza_Music]

Getting back on topic: the last movement of Beethoven's string quartet #15, Opus 132 in A minor. I don't know why, but this one just touches my soul. He originally considered using this theme for the last movement of the Ninth Symphony before finding the Ode to Joy theme. I love Beethoven's symphonies, but his late string quartets are incredible and so much more personal and intense. It is hard to listen to the Grosse Fugue without wanting to scream!

[PaulR]

What is so odd about most composers now using the samples is that, as an example, we usually compose for the best possible sound for the sample libraries to turn in for approval, it gets approved, and we have the case where the real orchestra is trying to emulate the sample library!! -Paul

There's a madness that's sweeping the world of music at the moment Paul - and it's called sample library mania. :D

To try and get, let's say in this case as it's more relevant to you now - the NSO to sound like a sample library performance - all I can say to that is WOW! Put it another way - if a peasant came into a session and said to the conductor - I want the NSO to sound like this - I for one wouldn't blame the conductor and the whole orch for that matter - inserting said sample library up said peasants a$$.

Why is this music so uplifting? Answers on a postcard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaYHRx9-v2M

[Composing_automat]

Bartok,
Concerto for Orchestra

[danpowers]

Britten, "War Requiem"

[TheAlps]

I vote for the rite of spring

[DallasComposer]

I don't really go for favorites; too many to have one plus I go through different phases of what interest me. Recently I’m into Michael Torke especially his ‘Color Music’, that along with Ravi Shankar’s recordings of Indian raga’s.

[guy theaker]

J.S. Bach - 48 Preludes & Fugues.

Done!

[nikolas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZbJOE9zNjw

Impossible to choose only one! (that was the meaning of my first post here...)

[OneThrow]

Its Friday, its the end of a long hard week and you want to sit down and listen to a piece of relaxing music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GazlqD4mLvw

[PaulR]

Its Friday, its the end of a long hard week and you want to sit down and listen to a piece of relaxing music.

Absolutely!! Heee -Arrrr! Heeee-Arrrr. Ride 'em cowboy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm3kqis8YGs

[Pietro]

Very good one, Nikolas.

I don't really have one favourite, or total favourites at all.

But I enjoyed Prokofiev's 5th symphony, especially second movement:
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=jyl9pbR-QH8
(especially 5:45 - I love this kind of creepyness in music)

I also have some kind of sentiment to Bartok's Sonata for 2 pianoforte and percussion.
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=_lBafu-TNKs
(3rd movement is madness)

There are so many good pieces of music out there, you can't even recall a couple :D

- Piotr

[Kostas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZbJOE9zNjw

Impossible to choose only one! (that was the meaning of my first post here...)

...that's a good one, i saw all these guys in Edinburgh Festival last summer, it was great :eek::eek:

-Kostas

[OneThrow]

As far as Shostakovich is concerned I'm a sucker for this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBde92dqCVk

But I can't resist this one either (not Shostakovitch, not anything really)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nebe1zuEtbc

(I hope I got those the right way round.):)

They don't normally sit together in concert.

[PaulR]

Wow! Proko and Shosto! Big names to conjure with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB0sjVN2Pic

And these go to eleven.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d54UU-fPIsY

[OneThrow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaLfDnShEn0

[michaelshumway]

Beethoven's Egmont Overture - Makes me ball like a baby everytime I hear it... lol

[james hansson]

Mozart requiem

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ226kQJiHY

[PaulR]

Wow! Yeah - Beethoven and Mozart. Loads of talent there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e7SG5u3jWI

[nikolas]

happniess in slavery. Warning it's a very very very very ugly video!

PS I keep editing this post... but I do like the song very much!

[PaulR]

happniess in slavery. Warning it's a very very very very ugly video!

Oh dear dear dear Nikolas. :D

This will cheer you up - but the music is at the very end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtyIv4Bkvwc&feature=related

[OneThrow]

Battle of Britain.

That was the only bit of the original Walton score to made it into the film.

The name's Bond, James Bond.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii1tc493bZM

[PaulR]

The James Bond theme - by Henry Mancini!?!?!?!?!?! Hahah!

Some seriously pretty strings from Henry Mancini right here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V14EkNtPfaQ

And from some seriously pretty strings to a seriously pretty girl. This is charming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aU02NIFdQM&feature=related

[OneThrow]

Perhaps they meant this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vb8kKuMkmE

[PaulR]

Perhaps they meant this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vb8kKuMkmE

Hahaha! Henry Mancini was a fantastic writer. He wasn't from Argentina was he?

[nickysnd]

Perhaps they meant this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vb8kKuMkmE
Who meant what, instead of what, about what? :)

MI theme is by Lalo Schifrin, that's what PaulR's Argentina innuendo is about. ;)

Henry Mancini was a fine songwriter.

Lalo Schifrin is a great filmscorer. (50 years of scoring, eh? and counting...)

[V o n h ö g e n]

Lalo Schifrin is a great filmscorer. (50 years of scoring, eh? and counting...)

Yes, Schifrin is great! Did you know, he can be seen in the movie Red Dragon with Anthony Hopkins? At the beginning of the film, he plays the role of conductor of the Baltimore Symphony (which is in fact the Santa Monica Symphony, if I remember correctly). Memorable scene, definitely!

SPOILERS: Poor, poor flute player! :o At least he made it to the lunch... :p

- Jerome Vonhögen

[OneThrow]

:o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnLhvMStUWU

[PaulR]

:o

No no no. You're doing very well. :D:D:D:D

Yes indeed. The Pink is one of the great themes.

Edit: Do you know why they left the Walton in The Battle of Britain?

[OneThrow]

No.

[PaulR]

No.

Well - that'll give you something to look up then. :D:D

Here's a rejected Mancini score.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhU0o4T_qpE&feature=related

And here's the one they used from Goodwin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNnSXGA8b8o&feature=related

[OneThrow]

Monday is not my favourite day.

[nickysnd]

Well - that'll give you something to look up then. :D:D

Here's a rejected Mancini score.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhU0o4T_qpE&feature=related

And here's the one they used from Goodwin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNnSXGA8b8o&feature=related
Cool, thanks for sharing, that was truly enlightening!

<bell rings twice then voice on radio>"Goodwin wins by knock-out during the first five seconds. Mancini is down, so to speak, although it's not very sure where he might be." :D

Great main credits theme (Goodwin's of course). Sounds very English to me. To my shame I didn't see Frenzy, but the theme sounds familiar, not sure why -- is it maybe something borrowed from Purcell or Haendel?

EDIT -
Monday is not my favourite day.
I hate the very concept of "monday"... :p

[V o n h ö g e n]

Great main credits theme (Goodwin's of course). Sounds very English to me. To my shame I didn't see Frenzy, but the theme sounds familiar, not sure why -- is it maybe something borrowed from Purcell or Haendel?

Well, British or not, it's not my cup of tea, that's for sure! It sounds like the theme from Dynasty (yes, that ancient soap-opera that went on and on, and on, and on...) in the form of an academic "Fest-Ouverture", mixed with influences of the Anglican tradition of church hymns. I wish I could hear more Purcell or Haendel in it. :rolleyes:

- Jerome Vonhögen

[OneThrow]

All this talk of Purcell has reminded me how much I like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAnQQ4_Jpd8

[PaulR]

Great main credits theme (Goodwin's of course). Sounds very English to me. To my shame I didn't see Frenzy, but the theme sounds familiar, not sure why -- is it maybe something borrowed from Purcell or Haendel?

Don't worry - Frenzy is actually quite horrendous as a film. It's Hitchcock's last big fling and for your interest I was in the middle of college in London when this was being filmed. It's not the sort of film you'd take your granny to see. Hitchock sacked Henry Mancini from the project - but then again Hitchcock was a bit of an a$$hole when it came to musicians.

Let's not forget that Handel was a British citizen. Hoketus should try to remember that when he can write something like the opening titles to Frenzy - he can become a British citizen too. :D

Here's a rejected score from a famous scene and very Hitchcockian. I think Herrmann used about 500 french horns in this one - and then got sacked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcvta530ZBs&feature=related

This is what happens when you make a film that doesn't know whether it's having a sh!t or a haircut - with completely miss cast actors. No wonder Herrmann didn't know what was going on.

[V o n h ö g e n]

Hoketus should try to remember that when he can write something like the opening titles to Frenzy - he can become a British citizen too. :D


You mean that they will throw me out of the country if I would compose a piece like that? ;) Can't I just become a British citizen by simply swimming accross the Northsea? After all, nobody wants to hear a score like that, don't you think? :rolleyes:

No, seriously, I didn't mean to offend you, Paul. Sorry, if I did. Like I said, it's just not my cup of tea. It doesn't reflect my feelings towards the British musical history in any way. William Byrd and John Dowland are two of my most beloved composers, and had a big influence on my musical development. I am in fact a child of the British renaissance!

Shall I bring you some continental Euros, when I swim accross the Northsea? Or some über-cool European Championship-gadgets, perhaps? Ouch! :D

- Jerome Vonhögen

[OneThrow]

Is it North

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPaO8AF8qo4&feature=related

or is it Strauss?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkM9xZ5aass&feature=related

EDIT

This is fasinating, all this film music that didn't quite make it into the film, maybe its another area of discussion. Maybe its not. Who cares.

[nickysnd]

Is it North

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPaO8AF8qo4&feature=related

or is it Strauss?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkM9xZ5aass&feature=related

EDIT

This is fasinating, all this film music that didn't quite make it into the film, maybe its another area of discussion. Maybe its not. Who cares.
As much as I admire Alex North, my strong impression is that Kubrick was right. Directors are always right, actually. Besides, Richard Strauss is a strong competition, and particularly the intro of Zarathustra is a total killer. Also, 2001 (funny title...) was apparently built and edited on those temp tracks, nobody could possibly score it, I think.

Yes, rejected scores is a worthy idea for a thread, why don't you start it?

[A.Leung]

I have the full complete soundtrack that Alex North composed for 2001. And of course I'm very familiar with all of the music that ended up in the film. I really like Alex North but Kubrick's decision to go with the music he did was brilliant. It endows almost a complete sense of 'timelessness' to the picture which really works. Undeniably. Indisputably...

[Bartosz Tkacz]

Wow, it`s really hard to select just one piece of music, but i`d go for:

Audrey Hepburn - "Moon River"

http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=BuoP67paOgk&feature=related

I can listen to this on and on. Timeless.

[Joza]

The Poet and the Pendulum by Nightwish

and

To Zanarkand - kind of main theme in Final Fantasy X, propably the most beautiful song I've ever heard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLnZ5jcsRpc

[PaulR]

I am in fact a child of the British renaissance!- Jerome Vonhögen

That's a tough club to belong in. We're in fact all Romans at heart and are waiting for the Eagles to return. :D

Alex North - very good technically and I don't know that much about his music.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdos02NooVI

Incidentally - if you've ever wondered why we're all mad - this should give you a clue.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umev3gaeqII


And how to write cues for the movies without the aid of CGI but plenty of overacting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgNes8FLx7E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yYeZMx1Y7U&feature=related

[OneThrow]

PaulR

Well - that'll give you something to look up then. :D:D


Thanks for the advice,;) looked up the Walton.

nickysnd


Yes, rejected scores is a worthy idea for a thread, why don't you start it?


Watch this space.

A.Leung

I think it shows that to get to Kubrick's level you have to make hard decisions. And you don't win too many friends that way. But the Richard Strauss is tough to beat and the dancing spaceships....

My favourite part is HAL singing daisy.:)

And my choice for today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItPz7f-k-dE&feature=related

ain't it the truth.

[PaulR]

Bob Dylan - great!

This is Led Zeppelin simply arriving in Iceland in 1970. It's just a news feature - but check out the music that they put behind it. :confused::eek::confused::eek::confused::eek:
They must have thought they'd arrived in the Midwich Cuckoos nest or something. That is seriously weird. Then comes the interrogation.

Robert Plant says - 'it's very strange to play this far north'. You've got THAT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bghTb0HTi9o&feature=related

[OneThrow]

My guess is whoever compiled that report was probably not a fan.

Back to HAL for the moment. Why did Kubrick choose daisy? I just couldn't resist finding out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGsfwhb4-bQ

[nickysnd]

Good catch! :)

Although it looks like a very unkubrickian (_:p_) decision. Maybe he just wanted a silly song to make the computer look stupid. :D

[OneThrow]

Maybe it was an Arthur C. Clarke idea?

[PaulR]

That's not a computer singing Daisy - that's Stephen Hawking. :eek:

[V o n h ö g e n]

That's not a computer singing Daisy - that's Stephen Hawking. :eek:

I don't think so, 'cause that would sound more like this:

Stephen Hawking's new album (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/233937)

:D

- Jerome Vonhögen

[OneThrow]

This is bizarre, Stephen Hawking singing Daisy, now staring in a comic book magazine. Is there no end to this man's talents?

"I have a bad feeling about this."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bzWSJG93P8

[PaulR]

Now that's what I call a great March - I even bought on it iTunes ages ago. Tremendous!

Here's one in 4/4 time.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI1nPd7hezM&feature=related

[OneThrow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDOgYw5-pNs

[PaulR]

Excellent. Eb minor and Paul Desmond - you can't beat it. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fX0zx9dF6A

[Enrique]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDOgYw5-pNs

I was thinking of Dave Brubeck earlier this week! (and actually got a couple of his CDs for my recent birthday!!) Wonderful music.

Here's something totally different.

Yngwie Malmsteen Concerto Suite Eb minor for electric guitar
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3965765080439249160&q=Yngwie+Malmsteen+concerto&ei=_OFGSKGdKIWc4gLGwJymDA&hl=eN

[PaulR]

Holy Sh!t Enrique - that's seriously different. Uhhhh......

:(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eAxCVTMJ-I&feature=related

[paulwr]

I was thinking of Dave Brubeck earlier this week! (and actually got a couple of his CDs for my recent birthday!!) Wonderful music.

Here's something totally different.

Yngwie Malmsteen Concerto Suite Eb minor for electric guitar
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3965765080439249160&q=Yngwie+Malmsteen+concerto&ei=_OFGSKGdKIWc4gLGwJymDA&hl=eN

I was play Bubeck's 'Blue Rhondo ala Turk' on my piano just this morning............ learned a number of his pieces when I was a kid and still play some to this day...........

Gotta say, this has been a very interesting and fun thread. Heard a lot of music I wasn't familiar with. Thanks!

-Paul

[OneThrow]

Walker Brothers, that's a very down song. The sun will shine tomorrow. No it won't it'll rain.:D

The Yngwie Malmsteen gave me an idea. I looked, I found, and I listened to it twice and thought should I? Nah, so I chose this instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLgWizzXREY&feature=related:)

Who looks most out of place the group or the orchestra?

[-joey-]

Have you heard the Furtwangler version (http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Symphony-Furtw%C3%A4ngler-Schwarzkopf-Recordings/dp/B00000GCA7/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1211761236&sr=1-2) of the Beethoven 9th, which has many special qualities. I also like Dvorak, particularly his cello concerto.

I haven't, but I will definitely give it a listen.

If I were going away from 'classical' music here I would have to say 'Brothers in Arms' by Dire Straits. My favourite song and an underestimated guitarist I feel.

[OneThrow]

If I were going away from 'classical' music here I would have to say 'Brothers in Arms' by Dire Straits. My favourite song and an underestimated guitarist I feel.

Yep.:)

"42". :eek::eek:I have found the answer to the ultimate question! :rolleyes:The problem is, what is the ultimate question? (I wonder how many bovril sandwiches that took?):D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9TYG9gTshU

And for those who think digital watches are pretty neat.;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvHr5Gva4Hk&feature=related

[PaulR]

The Hitchhikers Guide is a good one alright - I'd forgotten that one.

Alastair Sim - one of our greatest actors.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_a-V4DlMDI&feature=related

Electronic and Delia Derbyshire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi_aPoaK4Tg&feature=related

I just like looking at Diana Rigg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUQzNIxGLyM

And finally - NEWCASTLE!!!!!!! HELLLLPPPPPPppppppp....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbWztb49ziE

[OneThrow]

Great selection.

The Dr Who was it really all done with tape loops and single voice oscillators?

These boys were always understated!:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irp8CNj9qBI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19vItpLiYgA&feature=related

[PaulR]

The Dr Who was it really all done with tape loops and single voice oscillators?

Yes - Delia Derbyshire - great. Hamlet - How could I forget. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbdxm8Ia0Wc&feature=related

When I first saw this - I wanted to grab whoever it was that had the idea - and vomit on them - like Jeff Goldblum in The Fly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8CTscW3dpI&feature=related

And finally - mad as a hatter!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BsiHydrT6U

[Enrique]

What a ridiculous, trivial, and childish post; "The Best Piece of Music Ever Written"?!

How amateurish! I dont know what Im doing here. That statement in itself is absolutely pathetic. Doug-do us all a favour and lock this post will you? :rolleyes:

Do you have to be a jack ass to everyone here? The last few posts from you have been nothing but negative bantering.. and they aren't clever or hilarious enough to make them worthwhile. I recommend doing yourself a favor and not coming here with such a lofty attitude.

[Enrique]

The Hitchhikers Guide is a good one alright - I'd forgotten that one.

Alastair Sim - one of our greatest actors.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_a-V4DlMDI&feature=related

Electronic and Delia Derbyshire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi_aPoaK4Tg&feature=related

I just like looking at Diana Rigg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUQzNIxGLyM

And finally - NEWCASTLE!!!!!!! HELLLLPPPPPPppppppp....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbWztb49ziE

There was a behind the scenes video for the Dr Who theme, but I can't find it anymore, (can anyone else get it? it's been taken down from youtube..) so instead here's an article about it. :)

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2005/03/25/doctor-who-theme-behind-the-scenes-hear-the-themes/

[OneThrow]

Enrique

It was a joy reading the Dr Who stuff.

Dr Strangelove was originally intended to end with a custard pie fight. WW III breaking out was more in keeping with the black humour. But it needed some music. Spike Milligan suggested, "We'll Meet Again". Good old Spike, he had a sense of humour.;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxrWz9XVvls

This is nice music. :) That's all, sorry if its a bit corny. Matt Monro was supposed to be the British Frank Sinatra, :cool: but he got pushed aside by The Beatles. Its bad luck when something like that happens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-jNjOZACwQ&feature=related

[MPDmike]

Do you have to be a jack ass to everyone here? The last few posts from you have been nothing but negative bantering.. and they aren't clever or hilarious enough to make them worthwhile. I recommend doing yourself a favor and not coming here with such a lofty attitude.
Anyone who aspires to be a Simon sort of character must be an A**hole in my opinion. Don't judge others and they won't judge you.

[OneThrow]

A little gem....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LpiMa3L54s&feature=related

...and its bigger brother.

"That's my family Kay not me."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf16Vc3iZjE

[PaulR]

I was only thinking about Fellini's Satyricon the other day by sheer coincidence. I won't put up anything from that though. But I was in Rome 4 years after this was shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC_UjMsYmJc

Anyway - bit of a rough night last night and wound up like this just now......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kolQVDMW1IE

[OneThrow]

First threre's Graham Greene, second there's Orson Wells, and next comes.....

the music of course. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4JpDUMXBqo&feature=relat

And now its time to escape...... great!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYjnMfgzgcM&feature=related

[PaulR]

Oh oh oh - how did I forget to post The Third Man!!!!! Fabulous - can you imagine sitting down and writing that. Brilliant stuff. The story behind how he finished up writing it is a good one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUJwx0gwW-4&feature=related

You've gotta love Elmer Bernstein - one of the all time greats.

Still smarting over forgetting to post The Third Man - looks like I'm gonna have to play hard-ball with ya now! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kXuEg4hMvg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN_8qFinDBM&feature=related

Things of great aesthetic beauty!!! Ahhh - 1981. :cool:

[MPDmike]

Still smarting over forgetting to post The Third Man - looks like I'm gonna have to play hard-ball with ya now!
It seems that the music for The Third Man came about by a sort of accident rather than a normal commission, due to a chance encounter between Anton Karas (http://www.screenonline.org.uk/film/id/591639/) and the Director Carol Reed. If there is one thing to learn from such music, it is that using an ethnic instrument can add an atmosphere that is difficult to achieve using a ton of musicians playing in an orchestra.

[OneThrow]

I did't realise this was going to get serious.:(

:confused::confused::cool::cool:Diversionary tactics.

Listen to the music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZpWS74QzKE

"but your hand is frozen my child.” Er I think you got that a bit wrong Gene. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhz6i6JGzIU

This is classier than the Young Frankenstein version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j02k9t4rP50

And finally the relevance of the first one.
Who needs CGI and clockwork monsters anyway when you have THIS!!!!!! :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-h4WGZuYi8

[PaulR]

Yeah - Fred Astaire - nice! I liked that 1960 American soap with some superb lines - like 'can a boy ever forgive his mother' :D:D:D:D:D:D

Anyway - no messing now. Thunder and lightening storms here today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkEvy-9yVyQ&amp;feature=related

Let's get elegant for a second. If you're a musician and you haven't seen this film - you should be taken out and shot in the square.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbq6AoquhI&feature=related

[remmet]

Okay, here's a sparkling treasure that should not be overlooked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrKOUQAnnpQ

Richard

[OneThrow]

Have you ever been made to feel small, pathetic, worthless, like something that crawled out from under a rock, a dung beetle with halitosis? (sorry got carried away there)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LxFe609CSA

Not Bond but its not a bad theme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDdSWjpPJDg

[PaulR]

Have you ever been made to feel small, pathetic, worthless, like something that crawled out from under a rock, a dung beetle with halitosis? (sorry got carried away there)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LxFe609CSA

Not Bond but its not a bad theme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDdSWjpPJDg


Don't hit me Mr Callan!!!!!

You know why Edward Woodward spells his name with a D btw?

Look out - here we go!!!!

'Parker, take off my bra and panties'

'Yuss Lady Penelope"

'And Parker'

'Yuss Lady Penelope'

'Never let me catch you wearing my underwear again'

'Yuss Lady Penelope'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RzCB3VRruE

And now for something completely different


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zey8567bcg

And ......intermission

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlM7QzxJWgw&feature=related


zzzzzz.......zzzzzzz.......zzzzzzz...

[OneThrow]

Let's get elegant for a second. If you're a musician and you haven't seen this film - you should be taken out and shot in the square.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbq6AoquhI&feature=related
No, you got me beat there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8D4c0hLkZk

I defer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hkjkTe5kZE

I defer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkRIbUT6u7Q

I defer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlS8O257Gi0

;)

[PaulR]

Goodly choices. Barry Linden may be my fave Kubricj film. I was actually on The Money Program (parody I realize - what a shame about the Euro - how can anyone sing about the Euro) when that title was being used and I tried to find it for this thread earlier as a matter of fact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM1HiGuVWsw

Wife's choice here - not. Not mine you understand. Not mine - oh no.

[OneThrow]

*/**?**?/*****:eek::eek: Can't get that damed Dangerman Theme out of my head!!!!!!!!
Quick nurse the screens........
Hmmm....
An Alfred Hitchcock joke.

Two men standing over a grave. One turns to the other.

"How old are you?"
"89."
"Not much point going home."

(It was funnier when he said it.)

A legend in their own lunctime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HxNGyE3zng

[PaulR]

The Ruts - even looks like the building. ;) :D

Anyway - not a lot of dialogue in this one I think you'll agree. Full screen and TURN IT UP!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcTW_ledZic


I know it's June - but what the heck. I've heard lots of animation scores - why is it they never sound anything like this anymore? : ))))))))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJZnIHwzvzM

[V o n h ö g e n]

Let's get elegant for a second. If you're a musician and you haven't seen this film - you should be taken out and shot in the square.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbq6AoquhI&feature=related


"Tous les Matins du Monde"!! That happens to be one of my favourite movies! I'm glad you like the movie too, Paul. I agree that every serious musician should watch this movie, but rather than to shoot people I'd prefer showing them the movie on a square, like in the movie "Cinema Paradiso". :)

Funny, I recommended this movie in a similar thread, many months ago. I believe it was in a thread called "Most Memorable Movie Moments", or a similar title (but not: "I Like to Lick a Lemon Lollipop in Lillehammer" :p ).

- Jerome Vonhögen

[PaulR]

You should watch the one I just posted if you have not done so already - Black Narcissus. So very weird and wonderful. Michael Powell was Hitchock's alter -ego and a great, great director. One of the best.

You understand when I say 'shot in the square' it's just a figure of speech. Althought there is a significant part of me that would actually like to do that most of the time. ;)

The French make films for themselves - not like Hollywood - and not necessarily (because they have to) for the rest of the world. I admire this in French film making tremendously and always have. They make great films. I posted scenes from Diva earlier. Great stuff. Tous les matins du Monde is not just aesthetically superb to look at, as is Diva - but as a film in itself is well worth seeing.

I have to go to the golf course now. :D :D :D

[V o n h ö g e n]

You understand when I say 'shot in the square' it's just a figure of speech. Althought there is a significant part of me that would actually like to do that most of the time. ;)

Sorry, I'm Dutch. Obviously, I didn't know that expression. :o

Tous les matins du Monde is not just aesthetically superb to look at, as is Diva - but as a film in itself is well worth seeing.

The book is worth reading too, if you can read French.

You should watch the one I just posted if you have not done so already - Black Narcissus. So very weird and wonderful. Michael Powell was Hitchock's alter -ego and a great, great director. One of the best.
(...)
I have to go to the golf course now. :D :D :D

I will watch that clip, but like you, I am pretty busy right now, since I have to go to the beach in ten minutes. :D

- Jerome Vonhögen

[OneThrow]

I have to go to the golf course now. :D :D :D


I am pretty busy right now, since I have to go to the beach in ten minutes. :D

- Jerome Vonhögen

Its a tough life.:)

I don't think they ever made animations like Bambi. How could they shoot the mother! :(:(:(
Now I need to cheer myself up.
This is my fav, or one of them at least. To paraphrase Brian Clough. I wouldn't say its the best but its in the top one. :D

"It'll take brains not brawn."
"You better believe it and I'm loaded with both!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9cWkUhZ8n4

[FinnArild]

As a suggestion (not really having an opinion of which is the "Best" pice - too much to choose from):

Yes - Close to the Edge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-XCnrIdv0I

[PaulR]

Yeah - good game. Maybe a little too hot today.

Beaches in Holland aye? I know Holland has plenty of dykes.

Anyway - apparently on winning the nomination, Obama sent this to Hillary as his personal message.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhdWhxr8b08

[V o n h ö g e n]

Beaches in Holland aye? I know Holland has plenty of dykes.

Well, we have 300 miles of beaches (which is quite a lot, considering the size of the country), and they offer a lot of protection, as a matter of fact. However, there are huge dunes and dykes along the entire coast to reinforce the coastline. In addition to that, there is a new plan to create large islands in the sea in front of the coast for extra protection.

To stay on topic, does anyone remember the composer's name of Jaques Tati's masterpiece "Mon Oncle"? I remember the theme as a very effective and optimistic piece of music which immediately creates a wonderful atmosphere without getting sentimental or monotonous at all.

(Sorry, but I don't have time to look for a YouTube link. Maybe someone else could provides us with a link?)


- Jerome Vonhögen

[OneThrow]

To stay on topic, does anyone remember the composer's name of Jaques Tati's masterpiece "Mon Oncle"? I remember the theme as a very effective and optimistic piece of music which immediately creates a wonderful atmosphere without getting sentimental or monotonous at all.

(Sorry, but I don't have time to look for a YouTube link. Maybe someone else could provides us with a link?)


- Jerome Vonhögen

Okay I've done the dirty work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qqm9XgG8Tg

The composer : I come up with 2 names Frank Barcellini & Alain Romans.

Alain Romans has an entry in Wikipedia.

The things I do frasin rasin frasin rasin - I am I still on? Oh I'd better turn it o

[PaulR]

.... and they offer a lot of protection, as a matter of fact. However, there are huge dunes and dykes .....

We have some huge dunes and dykes here too - but they mostly reside in the Houses of Parliament - and they offer no protection whatsoever.

Jaques Tati - genius. Monsieur Hulot's Holiday. Just like the place where I live.

Anyway - look out!!!!!! Turn it up!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlkMc0ZaJmY

I love the big fellas footwork here.

[OneThrow]

Two bastions of British film are being celebrated in stamps. So here's one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KCzdLiWeSU

and here's the other

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzelDvRug9w

They don't make 'em like that any more!

I need something to restore my faith, hang on bring back Dangerman. Oh no! He's been captured.

"I'm not a number!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZUz88-xoqY

Ahhhhhhhhhhh :) That feels so much better. ;)

[PaulR]

They don't make 'em like that any more!

And thank goodness for small mercies.

Yes- The Prisoner was great to watch in 1967 - in black and white of course because no colour tv's at that time here. Made in colour for the Yanks. - Probably did more for hippies than anything else actually. The coolest guy - and probably weirdest guy on tv - ever.

This women was a goddess and no one could sing like her.

I have to play golf again now. :))))))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-pmpgrYQgs

[OneThrow]

Ah Blazing Saddles there's a name to conjour with.

There always seems to be time for something completely different.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfGpVcdqeS0&amp;feature=related

[V o n h ö g e n]

Okay I've done the dirty work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qqm9XgG8Tg

The composer : I come up with 2 names Frank Barcellini & Alain Romans.

Alain Romans has an entry in Wikipedia.



Thanks a lot for your help! I couldn't have done it better myself, because I really had a busy time. I had planned to go to the beach early, but I couldn't find my sunglasses anywhere. :eek: I looked for it for like twenty(!) minutes. As it turned out, my sunglasses were in the car all the time... :cool: Quite an eventful day for a composer, I would say!

- Jerome Vonhögen (still recovering...)

[Erik Wietzel]

The Beatles -- Hey Bulldog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGrEZH7j1bQ

Enjoy!

:)

Oh Lord...
Instant Goosebumps

I've been into electro IDM music the like of Autechre, film music, Erasure, even jazzrock (I was young;)), whatever... One band I keep returning to (and most probably the only one) is the Beatles, specially since Rubber Soul and on.
Returning to with goosebumps :cool:Thank for the link Nick !

[OneThrow]

And now for something on a completely different scale. Bigger..... BIGGER..... MUCH BIGGER.......

Okay its an epic, okay...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuxHLzwlDY4

[PaulR]

Epic!!!

Here's to Colonel Chard of Devonshire - who died about a hundred years ago.

Cheers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGW-IHtmM1E

And happy birthday today to Gene Wilder. Fantastic. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfMgUkuftLI

[OneThrow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ruaFfSZ9g4

[OneThrow]

Sorry about the last post, I found it and couldn't resist it. My indulgence.

Now where are we today. Let's see. Something weighty but not as heavy as the above. In fact nowhere near as heavy as the above. Alright its not weighty at all.

Liszt´s Hungarian Rhapsody No 2 Victor Borge style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcV19rylSZc

and the real thing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byGI1mDi3no

[PaulR]

It's hard to believe anyone from Denmark could be that funny - but there it is.

I'm going musical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7kzsZreG0o&amp;feature=related

No I'm not - this guy is a nice writer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A-z9mccrRI&amp;feature=related

and so was this guy - you have to wait for the titles but it's worth it - in my everso umble opinion Mr 'Olmes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N55Yb9yX_EE

[Aer Gui Ta]

anything from Hats by the Blue Nile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GVMnDjFKHw&feature=related

[OneThrow]

Michael Caine brilliant! I've not seen that last film, it looks good I might look it up.

This is my favourite Michael Caine line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g_GeQR8fJo&amp;feature=related

Sherlock Holmes eh, hm. Made me think of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txfLHZ685WY

And the mistress of murder and suspense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uzbd72W2N0

EDIT

Actually this is the best bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMPoSHoNNnk&amp;feature=related

[OneThrow]

Yesterday's "theme" was detectives.

There was no better detective than...:eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A_zgC8oVfo

So today's theme is ..... well there isn't one, but there is another Peter Sellars clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EgPSBs12OU

And play that uke man play that uke...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0o2aWrAAtg&amp;feature=related

Ow isn't it grand eh chuck ;)

[nickysnd]

Sorry but that version takes away half of the fun. Here's the one that makes me... feel... . . . alright...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CV8j6BWWCI&feature=related

[PaulR]

Peter Sellars was stark staring bonkers.

I remember 4 of us were playing poker years ago and this film was on the tv. Smoke filled room and this scene was on when my wife walked in - later mentioning we had apparently stopped playing cards and were sitting there in a trance like state with mouths open just holding our cards very close to our chests.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBg8dVJwIMo

And happy birthday to Malcolm Mcdowell today. This is what I'm going to do to the postman the next time he leaves the gates open after many warning don't you know old sports.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWLByMshYIU

[OneThrow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H39CxyNfNOM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDGibUnfGK8&amp;feature=related

Good luck old fella. ;) ;) ;)

[OneThrow]

Its the weekend and I was thinking...
No it isn't.
Yes it is.
Of course it is. Its Saturday. Saturday is part of the weekend.
No it isn't.
IT IS YOU IDIOT.
No it isn't.
......

Monty Python did it so much better......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM

[PaulR]

Madness.

This is what it used to be like trying to pull birds I remember.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IBgk05iL3Y

..and I'll bring the glasses back later.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM4Lak_11eQ

[OneThrow]

Only Fools and Horses. Good one.

Some people are ungrateful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

Time for a nice little song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo

[PaulR]

This is like music - it's like a great piece of counterpoint Bach - and should probably be taught in schools - only nowadays there is zero chance any of them would even begin to to understand the genius of Spike Milligan circa 1957.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSSGiA4f5cs

Time for some REAL music now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nebe1zuEtbc

[OneThrow]

Good old Spike. And to think he wanted to put Portsmouth into Room 101!:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSVS-BPUFIg&amp;feature=related

How about something nice and peaceful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjZ161-mejg

[PaulR]

Yeah - Vaughn - Williams - great old chap. Used to wear his trousers right up to his neck, like most old boys do.

Not much time today - therefore....... have this perfect by the time I get back. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqGGw15GPcs

[OneThrow]

Damn still can't get it right. But its nice to hear someone who can really play. :)

It had to be chosen at some time, but its not Mars or Jupiter its Mercury, a light, flighty movement. The sort of thing I often do after making another stupid post on these forums. Oops I've done it again. Not the music. No, not the music. Its good, its very good, its .... Well just sit back and enjoy. (GET OFF......!:mad:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yIKu3LSwcE

Bye :D

[PaulR]

Oh yeah baby!!! Mercury. Fantastic. And they got Jimmy Page to conduct as an added bonus!! Triffic!! A lot of musical codes going on there.

Old Holst started off with this one - but later rejected it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rAsoLm1Ges

[OneThrow]

He obviously thought, Moon - June, that's too corny.

Thought for the day…

The 60’s a great decade, the 50’s a great decade, the 40’s a great decade, the 30’s a great decade, the 20’s….., can you spot a current theme here? When you hear someone say, “ a great decade,” tell them you’ve heard it all before.

The 60’s a great decade……..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GHvgi_Rz2Y&amp;feature=related

I remember this bit as 10 minutes long when I first saw it….. I'm sure it was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoeEm-IDF-Y

The one with the short, fat hairy legs meets the ones with the big fat hairy heads. How often have you seen Eric Morecombe upstaged?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXsfeBXjG_Q&amp;feature=related

Sorry if this is a long one today. My indulgence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEOkxRLzBf0

[PaulR]

Ok then.

I guess it's old Paul M's birthday today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz7IjXu0DfQ&amp;feature=related

[nickysnd]

Ok then.

I guess it's old Paul M's birthday today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz7IjXu0DfQ&amp;feature=related

Right. Best songwriter alive. Here's his best song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjwnWU6OsaI&amp;feature=related

[OneThrow]

Didn't realise (slapped wrist)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMCeN6ZA3V4

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glNjsOHiBYs

[PaulR]

Right. Best songwriter alive. [

Whao there old sport!!!! Just whaooooo!! :D:D:D:D

This fella is pretty good and when it comes to writing a lot of good songs - this guy is hard to beat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYjBQKIOb-w&amp;feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r44OFO-MNPo&amp;feature=related

[OneThrow]

McCartney, Bowie, great yeah almost agree, but then I have one lingering doubt. This chap would run them close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-xIulyVsG8

EDIT

David Bowie at his best. :D :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4kMO0_CPao&amp;feature=related

[DallasComposer]

I'd throw this guy in there too, one of the best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33lZhARglU0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbFEnoITiWE

[OneThrow]

John, Eric, Keith, and Mitch can you keep the noise down boys. Playing your music too loud will make you go deaf.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAjdRHzH4M8

By the way, the best living songs writiers tag we'd like to apply.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faEEro38pEA

[PaulR]

Any LOTR fans here? You'll love this. I promise.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BpONxW8F58

And that 1969 concert in the park was good fun apart from the usual tossers one always gets.

[OneThrow]

De ja vous.

Ever done something or said something and thought, I wish I could do that again.

But sometimes it keeps coming round again and again and again. Would you make the same mistake? Like every time I read the title of this thread. "Writen?" Are you serious? Can't you spell you idiot? Its got 2 t's, and why capialise it, that's worse.

"So. What are the chances of getting out today?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hq5jZrFTbE

[nickysnd]

Back to best songwriters... that was the topic, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGbGXXufkYM&amp;feature=related

Also, this guy -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30egIKHT-pM

[strawinsky]

De ja vous.

Ever done something or said something and thought, I wish I could do that again.

But sometimes it keeps coming round again and again and again. Would you make the same mistake? Like every time I read the title of this thread. "Writen?" Are you serious? Can't you spell you idiot? Its got 2 t's, and why capialise it, that's worse.

"So. What are the chances of getting out today?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hq5jZrFTbE

Ummmmm.....Deja is all one word, vous is spelled vu, you idiot. And what,pray, does capialise mean? Already you: hilarious. While we're at it, your grammar is atrocious! BTW,you spelled "writers" "writiers" in a previous post. Getting tougher by the minute, ain't it? People in glass houses, and all that......

[nickysnd]

Déjà vu, déjà lu, déjà entendu... Be merciful on the poor guy's French, he's humbly admitting his misspells in his own language...

[strawinsky]

Déjà vu, déjà lu, déjà entendu... Be merciful on the poor guy's French, he's humbly admitting his misspells in his own language...


Haha,Nicky! How's it going? Only another three or four weeks,eh? We "English" are reknowned for our dry sense of humour. Sorry, but I simply couldn't resist. The irony of it is absolutely hilarious,lol!

[nickysnd]

Yes, irony and humour are ever present, like salt and pepper... And here is some vinegar (à propos de glass houses) -

"If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian." -- Sir Paul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOO8-Jp-xsg

[strawinsky]

I don't feel too good:excuse me.........

[nickysnd]

Sorry for that. Here's something sweeter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLxTpsIVzzo&feature=rec-fresh

(always loved the intro fanfare and especially the strings on that song...)

[strawinsky]

Do you know, I remember watching that on TV as a kid. They truly were/are the greatest. But I also love The Beachboys, The Kinks, Bacharach,and...ABBA, in terms of pure musicality and songwriting talent. Makes you feel kind of humble,don't it? Not to mention totally inadequate.

[OneThrow]

It seems I've missed something quite interesting.

Strawinsky:

Its nice to meet you.

It may have passed your attention but I proposed this thread. I was criticising myself. I was pointing out what a fool I feel everytime I read the thread title. It was bit of humour. (Am I being fair or have I missed something ironic in your post?)

The idea of this thread is only intended to be half serious. I like listening to good music with a bit of humour thrown in for good measure.

I looked up Déjà vu in the dictionary (yes a French dictionary) and couldn't find it, probably because my spelling was so far out.:o

I am assuming the word "reknowned" is an ironical spelling mistake on your part.

If you wish to take it upon yourself to correct all of my spelling mistakes, feel free.;)

But you might be doing a lot of typing.:rolleyes:

And I shall be watching your spelling like a hawk.:D

nickysnd:

"All You Need Is Love." I couldn't have put it better myself.

[strawinsky]

Pleased to meat you two, Diceman. I planted a mine: you trod on it, lol! As I said to Nicky: I couldn't resist. It's all in good fun: I wuz jus' havin' larf, and I admire your self-deprication,actually; very funny! Sorry if it came over as anything else. But, there's probably no-one more ferrous than me when I get going. Don't bother looking up Deja wotsit in a French dicktionary, 'cos you'll only find it in an English one. We "English" seem to love hijacking these Francoisms, probably because our brutish equivalents are so, er, brutish.

Piece,mon. PS: I'm really enjoying this thread: congrats on a good one!

[nickysnd]

"All You Need Is Love." I couldn't have put it better myself.
Man... Actually, All You Need Is Cash :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvkPeX5aVik

[DallasComposer]

Man... All you need is cash :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvkPeX5aVik


So true nicky, so true!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n7yUYVkeGE

[OneThrow]

Strawinsky:

Peace.:)

I couldn't spot a single spelling mistake in your post.

Actually your original post made me think of this.;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIAdHEwiAy8

Glad you are enjoying the thread.

[strawinsky]

Strawinsky:

Peace.:)

I couldn't spot a single spelling mistake in your post.

Actually your original post made me think of this.;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIAdHEwiAy8

Glad you are enjoying the thread.

Haha! Great. You know, I've been campaigning for a sarcasm emoticon for some time now,which would be in keeping with my dry sense of,er, humour. But, alas, no. All one needs in cash,Nicky. All one needs. :rolleyes:

[OneThrow]

Back to the "greatest living songwriter" theme.

Yes young Townshend put your hand down. You can apply as well. Just fill in the form and post it in the box after the lesson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xZOrWK6d4g&amp;feature=related

[PaulR]

This is my generation. One for the percussionists and guitarists who like to pull faces. These boys were great live - Bath Festival is where I saw them but couldn't make Woodstock - although we tried.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnamP4-M9ko

[nickysnd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnamP4-M9ko
Madness! Check out the drums solo at 3:10. Who the hell is that drummer boy and how old was he, 16? And whatever happened to him?

[nikolas]

Sorry to break the Beatles baraz here... ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFNdAmvpaKs

[nickysnd]

Not only out of control but also out of tune. Was that a song? Sounds more like a tv ad to me..

What "baraz" means?

[nikolas]

LOL...

Baraz = barrage...:o

[peter5992]

This is my generation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnamP4-M9ko

Ah -- Carlos Santana. Been admiring him since forever, and now we are finally neighbors.

[OneThrow]

Love that guitar. Love that guitar. Like this one as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjOQ9r35uiU

[PaulR]

Ah -- Carlos Santana. Been admiring him since forever, and now we are finally neighbors.

Yeah - and he told me that since you moved in - property prices have dropped considerably. ;)

Hendrix - the most disturbing guitar solos ever written - and the most air guitar performances too. Just an amazing track all round - and don't be late.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq6r2ofy29g

[nickysnd]

LOL...

Baraz = barrage...:o
:D

That emoticon is em-baraz-ing

Now, here is what I call a performance. Take five.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhq7fSrXn0c

[NicolasRoy]

For me, the best piece of music ever written is the second movement of Beethoven's Fifth Piano Concerto.

It contains all the joy and sadness of humanity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTC7Xv85pE0&feature=related

[OneThrow]

This is a beautiful, beautiful song. I had intended to share it with you tomorrow, but I feel kinda melancholy so here it is early.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5JkHBC5lDs

[PaulR]

I tell you what - my feet are killing me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liVCxU2n9bI

And Happy Birthday today to Frances McDormand :)))))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBSTRK6PUjQ&amp;feature=related

[nikolas]

:D

That emoticon is em-baraz-ing

Now, here is what I call a performance. Take five.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhq7fSrXn0c
Where we looking for performances? If so:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYgPU-WnmnA

Screaming headless Torsos!

Can't get much better than that! ;)

[OneThrow]

For me, the best piece of music ever written is the second movement of Beethoven's Fifth Piano Concerto.

It contains all the joy and sadness of humanity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTC7Xv85pE0&feature=related

I haven't heard that one for so long.:) I'd never have thought of it. Wonderful.

[nickysnd]

Anyone mentioned Dream Theater yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgZhiYff7nM&amp;feature=related

[OneThrow]

Don't ever let me hear that keyboard players are second class pianists.:)

Best living songwriter. How about the grand daddy of them all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvq2ssr6oc4&amp;feature=related

And how about an encore. Ricky Gervais does humiliation and embarassment really well don't you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71v5IYY0Vyk

[PaulR]

Milan 1973. Don't talk to me about keyboard players!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0FuFfcCZiE

[nickysnd]

Milan 1973. Don't talk to me about keyboard players!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0FuFfcCZiE

Yesss! Keith Emerson IS the godfather of all the rock keyboardists. Actually Jordan Rudess has recently paid his respects to KE on his latest album, which includes the 20 minutes ELP track Tarkus.

Here is Tarkus, ELP live in Montréal, 1993:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSz_CsRB6q0

[PaulR]

Yes indeed. Keith Emerson was the Governor. No one can play the Hammond like Emerson.

This track (shortened slightly) is what made me play the Hammond. Brian Davison, the drummer on this track, died recently and was an extremely nice chap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UGfa1P_pZs&amp;feature=related

[OneThrow]

Never realized there was a keyboard player's union on this site!:)

Time for a little bit of BB King and U2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4pSP47Eh8k&amp;feature=related

[PaulR]

BB King. Fascinatin'


The gardener is here today. I'm going out because I can't stand it. I say something - and he just repeats it!!!!!! :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKLvKZ6nIiA

I'll be back around Noon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKx6MUH6sEM&amp;feature=related

[nickysnd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKx6MUH6sEM&amp;feature=related
This is OT, but I thought to mention it: have you noticed how "squarely" that scene was edited to the music? First shots are 2 measures each, then there's a long series of shots of one measure each, so that we get accustomed to the rhythm, and then the train blows suddenly and the music stops in the middle of the measure.:eek: Kinda manipulative, eh?

[OneThrow]

Oh no. I'll not be able to watch it any other way now you've said that!

The count down to noon. The pendulum on the clock gives it away. Just to analyse it further it makes the music more important than the pictures don't you think?