Stratocaster or Hollowbody? Single coil or humbaker? What's your sound?

[pettinhouse.com]

Hi,

first of all I want to introduce me.

I'm Andrea and I'm new here.

My question is, what's your favorite guitar sound?

Between Stratocaster and Hollowbody what do you use more for your projects?

Stratocaster a la Mark Knopfler, Eric Clapton or Hollowbody a la G. Benson, Wes Montgomery?

The bright sound of the single coil pickups or the warm fat sound of the humbaker pickups?

Ciao,

Andrea

[LEX]

Hi,

first of all I want to introduce me.

I'm Andrea and I'm new here.

My question is, what's your favorite guitar sound?

Between Stratocaster and Hollowbody what do you use more for your projects?

Stratocaster a la Mark Knopfler, Eric Clapton or Hollowbody a la G. Benson, Wes Montgomery?

The bright sound of the single coil pickups or the warm fat sound of the humbaker pickups?

Ciao,

Andrea

Humbaker? Don't you mean humbucker.

Every sound has its place.

I prefer nylon and steel string.

LEX

[A.Leung]

u say studabaker he says humbaker...

Anyways - welcome to the forums.

[pettinhouse.com]

Sorry mistake,

Humbacker. :)

[DallasComposer]

Gibson ES-335 with bigsby a la 'Uncle Keef'

http://www.adrants.com/images/keithrichards_1000x578.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibson_ES-335

:)

[pettinhouse.com]

What do you think about this sound?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ApVvnzsWiGM&feature=related

[pettinhouse.com]

What about this?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ApVvnzsWiGM&feature=related

[peter5992]

My question is, what's your favorite guitar sound?



Well, it depends on the context and what it is for - I have always had a soft spot for a nice acoustic guitar (either nylon or steel string) but a nasty distorted electric guitar may work very well, too - as may a nice warm f hole semi acoustic jazz guitar. All depends on the context and the mood.

[FinnArild]

I use everything from classical to guitarsynth in my projects. I have a classical, an Yamaha acoustic, a Hagstrøm hollowbody and a Hamer "plank" + a Squire bass guitar I use regularly (+ some old acoustic I don't use so much). The other day I got one of these babies (http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop_image/product/1c41fa35c4c71a3e4111013c805707f8.jpg) and got a pickup both for my Hamer and my Squire - so I'm having fun these days.

[Dannthr]

Love Wes Montgomery, also, I love Joe Satriani, and also, I love Andres Segovia.

Does that help?

[pettinhouse.com]

To everybody,

my question now is:

Bright, metallic distortion with fender-single coil or warm and strong distortion with Gibson-humbacker?

[Dannthr]

Why don't you specify your question?

Instead of giving us an arbitrary choice with absolutely no serious musical context, why don't you give us a SPECIFIC use?

It seems to me that you're looking to take the temperature on what kinds of samples you should create next and frankly all of the sounds are COMPLETELY VALID and any musician worth his/her salt will tell you so.

What USE is the sound without context? We can not evaluate the appropriateness of a sound without context--so your focus should be on providing us a context.


Of course, if I'm right, and you're simply taking the temperature of what kinds of samples would be most popular--you should analyze current music trends, not spam forums with pointless, arbitrary questions.

[pettinhouse.com]

Why don't you specify your question?

Instead of giving us an arbitrary choice with absolutely no serious musical context, why don't you give us a SPECIFIC use?

It seems to me that you're looking to take the temperature on what kinds of samples you should create next and frankly all of the sounds are COMPLETELY VALID and any musician worth his/her salt will tell you so.

What USE is the sound without context? We can not evaluate the appropriateness of a sound without context--so your focus should be on providing us a context.


Of course, if I'm right, and you're simply taking the temperature of what kinds of samples would be most popular--you should analyze current music trends, not spam forums with pointless, arbitrary questions.

My dear Dannthr,

First of all I'm not spamming the forum, I've just posted a question in the forum section "other music discussion" which is the right place for my question.

If the moderator didn't delete my post probably it means that I'm not spamming.

if I'm a sound designer who creates sample libraries it doesn't mean that I cannot post anything in forums or that my threads and posts should be treated as spam.

Said that,

my question is easy as much as Do you prefer Ferrari or Porsche?

I prefer Ferrari because are italian cars, because they look more originals, because the sound of the engines is fatter, because are exclusive cars, because they are not interesting in SUVs.

Do you prefer Windows or OSX?

This question needs too much space to be answered. My answer to this question is one: OSX, because it makes me work!

So now is the time for my question about stratocaster or hollowbody.

My asnwer is Stratocaster. My answer is single coil, my answer is fender and not Gibson.

Why? Because Fender with single coils fits everywhere. It allows me to play lots of music styles.
I have both Fender and Ibanez hollowbody. When I want to play funky, blues, rock, pop I always use my fender. My Ibanez hollowbody sounds perfect when I want to play jazz but also fender can do it:

Does it sound bad? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJQM2_D8g4g&feature=related

So my answer to my question is: I prefer Fender.

dannthr, I know what people need, I don't need to analyze current music trends and especially I don't need to post in forums for selling my products.

If you think that my question is arbitrary and pointless you have another option: not answer to my question ;)

Have a good day,

Andrea

[A.Leung]

this is an odd thread (looks around) what am I doing here? (hoping no one will notice, he quickly makes his escape towards the exit sign)

[peter5992]

this is an odd thread (looks around) what am I doing here? (hoping no one will notice, he quickly makes his escape towards the exit sign)

Ah - no way - spotted you now.

Seriously, Andrea as a new poster deserves some respect. Check out his link to youtube.

That said, Andrea: you need to be more specific about exactly what information or feedback you are looking for - just general 'hanging out' with guitar players, or specific feedback on a technical issue you face?

Peter

[Dannthr]

I don't disrespect Andrea.

If he were to ask if I would prefer DirectGuitar or Prominy LPC, well, I know what my answer would be--but what point would that create?

I'm not the first person in this thread to be either annoyed or thrown off by the ambiguity of what Andrea wants to talk about.

Andrea is new to this forum, and he should know that many of the senior members are very kean to try to help and answer accurately the questions beginners have in any capacity they can.

If Andrea is DRIVING at something, then it's worth while to get to the point.

Do I feel like Andrea has an ulterior motivation for posting this, yes, of course I do. In my opinion, casual conversational threads are not often duplicated on other sites unless the poster is actually looking for serious feedback.

Posting a duplicate thread on Sounds Online AND VI-Control.net simply shows that Andrea is trying to engage with as many sample-based musicians as possible.

Maybe he's posted this conversation on actual guitar forums, where people are passionate about the specifics of a guitar configuration. I haven't seen them.

The only connection I can see between Andrea and the sample-user community is that he MAKES samples.

I would suspect that this conversation would be much more interesting for a real guitar enthusiast innocently engaging in guitar-speak would be a guitar forum.

Why did he create a Sounds Online account to have this conversation?

Why Sounds Online? Why VI-Control.net?

I didn't berate him. I told him simply that he would get a better reply if he gave us a musical context.

We're producers, we look at applying sounds where they're appropriate.

Instead, Andrea simply defends that he has a "right" to be ambiguous and that I don't have to participate in his generic thread.

That's true, but I also have a "right" (or more specifically, a privilege) to ask him what he's getting at and why he's asking us these questions.

[A.Leung]

Check out his link to youtube.

Anyone who still owns an old D-50 keyboard gets my vote. You rock Andrea.

[pettinhouse.com]

I don't disrespect Andrea.

If he were to ask if I would prefer DirectGuitar or Prominy LPC, well, I know what my answer would be--but what point would that create?

I'm not the first person in this thread to be either annoyed or thrown off by the ambiguity of what Andrea wants to talk about.

Andrea is new to this forum, and he should know that many of the senior members are very kean to try to help and answer accurately the questions beginners have in any capacity they can.

If Andrea is DRIVING at something, then it's worth while to get to the point.

Do I feel like Andrea has an ulterior motivation for posting this, yes, of course I do. In my opinion, casual conversational threads are not often duplicated on other sites unless the poster is actually looking for serious feedback.

Posting a duplicate thread on Sounds Online AND VI-Control.net simply shows that Andrea is trying to engage with as many sample-based musicians as possible.

Maybe he's posted this conversation on actual guitar forums, where people are passionate about the specifics of a guitar configuration. I haven't seen them.

The only connection I can see between Andrea and the sample-user community is that he MAKES samples.

I would suspect that this conversation would be much more interesting for a real guitar enthusiast innocently engaging in guitar-speak would be a guitar forum.

Why did he create a Sounds Online account to have this conversation?

Why Sounds Online? Why VI-Control.net?

I didn't berate him. I told him simply that he would get a better reply if he gave us a musical context.

We're producers, we look at applying sounds where they're appropriate.

Instead, Andrea simply defends that he has a "right" to be ambiguous and that I don't have to participate in his generic thread.

That's true, but I also have a "right" (or more specifically, a privilege) to ask him what he's getting at and why he's asking us these questions.

Dear Dannthr,

1 - if I would ask you, Do prefer Prominy or DirectGuitar? That would be a silly question and would be spam. Don't you think? Both products are great.

2 - you said: In my opinion, casual conversational threads are not often duplicated on other sites unless the poster is actually looking for serious feedback.

And so? What's your problem? I still don't understand what's your problem? Can I post casual conversational threads? Do you have the right to investigate what people think or do? Dannthr who you are for doing that?

3 - Why did he create a Sounds Online account to have this conversation?

Dannthr, Do I have to ask your permission to create an account here? Is there a rule here that says: you can't have an account if you post "casual conversational threads"

Dannthr, I'm going to post the same question in other forums too.

In fact I've already did that in Harmony-central forum. People there were not interested in that and so didn't answer to my question not like you, investigating like the police..."What the hell Andrea is thinking??? What Andrea is going to dooooo? :)

Posting a duplicate thread on Sounds Online AND VI-Control.net simply shows that Andrea is trying to engage with as many sample-based musicians as possible.

Ok, and so? Still the same question, what's the problem Dannthr? I'm a sound designer and I sell sample libraries and I repeat again what I said in the previous post:

if I sell sample libraries it doesn't mean that I can't post any question in the forum. am I right?

Then if I can get some attention from musicians here to my products, well, cool that's ok. Don't you think? But still It's not my primary intention to post here for selling my products. Especially that wasn't the reason of my thread.

Dannthr I really don't need to post in forums for selling. Believe me I really don't need to do that.

I made a question, right? Would you like to answer to my question? Yes? No?
The rest is only blathering for nothing.

Maybe he's posted this conversation on actual guitar forums, where people are passionate about the specifics of a guitar configuration. I haven't seen them.

WOW!!! I'm shocked, you've checked in internet if I've posted the same question in guitar forums? Dannthr, don't you have nothing more serious to do? Come on, what's wrong with you? ahahaha, mine was a simple question, Do you prefer strato or hollow? My answer is in the previous post.

I didn't berate him. I told him simply that he would get a better reply if he gave us a musical context.

Ohh no, no my dear Dannthr you are not berating me, that's too light, you are checking me!!! ahaha You are checking on internet if I post in other forums, you want to know what the ambiguous mind of Andrea is thinking!!! Dannthr!!! Come on!!! ahahaha

Instead, Andrea simply defends that he has a "right" to be ambiguous and that I don't have to participate in his generic thread.

And I still defend the freedom to be ambiguous and to write what I want in forums respecting the rules and I defend YOUR FREEDOM to choose to partecipate in generic thread.

And still the same question come into my mind: Is there a rule in the forum rules that says that I can't be ambiguous? Can I be ambiguous Dannthr?

Dannthr, if I'm a beginner here it doesn't mean that I'm beginner in life. I know what to do and what to say.

I'm respecting all the forum and social rules and that's enough.

Greetings from Italy. ohhh...those italians!!! :)

Andrea

PS thank you Dannthr, you've transformed a simple question in a guerrillas marketing thread that is driving lots of visitors in my webpage ;)

[Dannthr]

Hahah, no, I haven't checked other internet forums.

I'm just a regular on VI and SOL.

I never said you can't post here.

I never said I searched the internet for your posts.

But you are marketing yourself on this site. It's why you have pettinhouse.com as your user name.

It is also why you're engaging with sample users.


I don't have a problem with this.

I don't care if you want to advertise your services, engage with the market, or even test the waters for a new product.

I don't care.

I just don't think it's good form to lie about it when people call you on it.

I didn't check guitar forums, I haven't seen your post on Harmony-Central, but I am active in about 15 different forums. I took a bet that you didn't post on an actual guitar forum and you just revealed that it is true.

How could I have taken that bet? Because you're transparent.

I don't care if you're here for your biz--that's cool, in a way, all of us here are.

But don't lie about it, that's bad form.


I prefer Prominy LPC because Mr. Akihito is brilliant at answering questions directly and honestly.

[DallasComposer]

Forget Gibson and/or Fender try ...

http://www.deimelguitarworks.de/

[Dannthr]

Hahah, how about the ROBOT GUITAR (http://www.gibson.com/RobotGuitar/)

He's got a secret secret, hiding underneath his skin.

[pettinhouse.com]

Thank you Dan to say that I'm a liar!

I simply respect the rules of the forum and I don't want to spam anything here.

Then if other companies prefer to do that, who cares, I'm happy for them.

[DallasComposer]

Hahah, how about the ROBOT GUITAR (http://www.gibson.com/RobotGuitar/)

He's got a secret secret, hiding underneath his skin.

The nitrocellulose laquer finish on that baby sold me!!


LOL

[Dannthr]

In BLUE SILVERBURST no less!


EDIT: Actually, what would be cool is custom tuning styles--but it all looks preset... hm

[DallasComposer]

In BLUE SILVERBURST no less!


EDIT: Actually, what would be cool is custom tuning styles--but it all looks preset... hm

Ok forget guitars all together and go with ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXxJzcG9pFI


(figure you'd get a kick out of this dan)

[Dannthr]

Hahah, I love those one man band deals:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyxYVd80nlo

I actually went to a fantastic shamisen concert this spring! This girl was throwing down all these great classic rock and circus quotes in the middle of some classical japanese music accomp'd by a koto drum and a shakuhachi. They were performing to a traditional japanese juggling act. It was awesomeness.

Hahahahah, I'll take your one-man-electric-shamisen-band and trade you an AT THE DRIVE-IN style electric shamisen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5RSw_tRHcw

[pettinhouse.com]

Ah - no way - spotted you now.

Seriously, Andrea as a new poster deserves some respect. Check out his link to youtube.

That said, Andrea: you need to be more specific about exactly what information or feedback you are looking for - just general 'hanging out' with guitar players, or specific feedback on a technical issue you face?

Peter

Hi Peter,

the problem is that lately I was recording a rock song. Before recording it I've thought the guitar track would have been perfect with the bridge pickup of an hollowbody. When I was recording I realized that it was better playing the guitar part with the bridge pickup of my fender.

So what's the point. Even if I have both hollow and strato I continue to think that strato is more versatile.
I want to say something more, In my opinion the single coil pickup is more recognizable especially when is satured ( not extremely satured ) compared to an hollow that when is satured you can't recognize if it's an hollowbody ibanez or a solidbody gibson for example.

When I play funky, pop, rock I prefer to use a strato sound both real guitar and sample libraries and only when I play jazz I prefer to play my hollow. But it doesn't mean that Fender can't do it too.

Please watch the video, does it sound bad? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJQM2...eature=related

So my answer to my question is that generally I prefer fender, strato than hollow.

What's your favorite sound between strato and hollow? and why?

This is the only thing that I want to know.

Thank you

Andrea

[DallasComposer]

Hahah, I love those one man band deals:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyxYVd80nlo

I actually went to a fantastic shamisen concert this spring! This girl was throwing down all these great classic rock and circus quotes in the middle of some classical japanese music accomp'd by a koto drum and a shakuhachi. They were performing to a traditional japanese juggling act. It was awesomeness.

Hahahahah, I'll take your one-man-electric-shamisen-band and trade you an AT THE DRIVE-IN style electric shamisen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5RSw_tRHcw

Coolness :-) - have to toot me horn a bit, when I was in Japan I studied shamiseen along with koto, I did the traditional thing but when sensei was not looking I did my own thing .. kinda like ... (but not as good)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3CgvuGaLYc&feature=related

[Dannthr]

Cultural (con) FUSION ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqE7WBG_p8Q

When will someone make a decent 7 string cello library?

[peter5992]

What's your favorite sound between strato and hollow? and why?



Well, my own preference is probably a hollow body - have an Ibanez Artstar myself (in addition to a Contreras classical guitar and a custom built acoustic electric Taylor with steel strings) which has a nice and warm sound. I come from a classical / acoustic background, always felt that the solid bodies were more for the "rockers" with big amps and effects, and I am not a rocker (although I can greatly enjoy a nasty Eddie Van Halen guitar solo anytime).

That said, like I mentioned before, it all depends on the circumstances. If, for example, I were to produce the music for a commercial for baby diapers or a women's body lotion, I might use a nylon or steelstring guitar, with a pleasant melody and some fingerpicking, against a bedding of soft classical music. But I would probably not use an electric guitar hooked up through Guitar Rig with massive distortion as that would be inappropriate (it would not sell the product, the target group of the commercial would get all kinds of negative subconcious associations). Then again, for a commercial for an all-American muscle car or a pickup truck, or for a big sports event, it might just be other way around.

Peter

ps I watched the clip on youtube (the one of page 1, this one doesn't seem to work), thought it sounded pretty good.

[pettinhouse.com]

Well, my own preference is probably a hollow body - have an Ibanez Artstar myself (in addition to a Contreras classical guitar and a custom built acoustic electric Taylor with steel strings) which has a nice and warm sound. I come from a classical / acoustic background, always felt that the solid bodies were more for the "rockers" with big amps and effects, and I am not a rocker (although I can greatly enjoy a nasty Eddie Van Halen guitar solo anytime).

That said, like I mentioned before, it all depends on the circumstances. If, for example, I were to produce the music for a commercial for baby diapers or a women's body lotion, I might use a nylon or steelstring guitar, with a pleasant melody and some fingerpicking, against a bedding of soft classical music. But I would probably not use an electric guitar hooked up through Guitar Rig with massive distortion as that would be inappropriate (it would not sell the product, the target group of the commercial would get all kinds of negative subconcious associations). Then again, for a commercial for an all-American muscle car or a pickup truck, or for a big sports event, it might just be other way around.

Peter

ps I watched the clip on youtube (the one of page 1, this one doesn't seem to work), thought it sounded pretty good.

Thanks Peter,

Wow, I love taylor guitars, would like to have one.

Andrea

[pettinhouse.com]

Peter,

I've realized that I've posted the wrong youtube link.

So you have watched this one http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RJQM2_D8g4g&feature=related and not the one in the previous post.

Sorry :)

Best,

Andrea

[puuluu]

I´m happy with a Gretsch Cochran model ( the one with a Dynasonic and a P90 ) coming out of a 1959 Magnatone 260. Me like.

[peter5992]

Thanks Peter,

Wow, I love taylor guitars, would like to have one.

Andrea

Yes - I know. This is the 614ce, with the Expression System pickups for live playback. Sitka spruce top and maple leaf sides and back. Looks and sounds absolutely gorgeous. I played it at a local shop here in Marin County (Bananas At Large), immediately fell in love and just had to buy it.

[pettinhouse.com]

Peter,

my dream is less expencive! :)

This is what I like and what I've tried:


http://www.artandlutherieguitars.com/dreadcedarantbst.html

Andrea

[peter5992]

Yeah, dreadnoughts are nice, too - they generally tend to have a somewhat "bigger" sound, making them probably choice no 1 for singers / songwriters. I went to a Taylor demo last and came away very impressed - their pickup system is really something. I had my eye on their top model, with Indian rosewood and all -- however they did not have that model in stock, and when I played this model, it was love at first sight. Not just the killer looks and perfect fit and finish (custommade quilted maple back - absolutely stunning - looks a little like this Washburn:http://cgi.ebay.com/Washburn-Cumberland-Acoustic-Electric-Guitar-J28SCEDL_W0QQitemZ150231842812QQcategoryZ2384QQcmd ZViewItem#ebayphotohosting, but with many more details), but the sitka spruce has a "sparkle" to it that just springs from the soundboard, almost like champagne bubbling in a glass.

Yes, it was a little expensive, but love has no price, right ...

[pettinhouse.com]

Yeah, dreadnoughts are nice, too - they generally tend to have a somewhat "bigger" sound, making them probably choice no 1 for singers / songwriters. I went to a Taylor demo last and came away very impressed - their pickup system is really something. I had my eye on their top model, with Indian rosewood and all -- however they did not have that model in stock, and when I played this model, it was love at first sight. Not just the killer looks and perfect fit and finish (custommade quilted maple back - absolutely stunning - looks a little like this Washburn:http://cgi.ebay.com/Washburn-Cumberland-Acoustic-Electric-Guitar-J28SCEDL_W0QQitemZ150231842812QQcategoryZ2384QQcmd ZViewItem#ebayphotohosting, but with many more details), but the sitka spruce has a "sparkle" to it that just springs from the soundboard, almost like champagne bubbling in a glass.

Yes, it was a little expensive, but love has no price, right ...

Yes you are right that's true, love has no price!

I think I know what Taylor you are talking about. I remember about 4 years ago a Taylor guitar in a music shop in my city. It was fatastic, well made, although there was a Larrivee guitar close to the Taylor. I have played it for awhie and I was impressed about the volume it had and and the richness of the sound full of harmonics and low tones.

I don't remember which model it was but you can find info here: http://www.larrivee.com/3_products/products_models.html

[Xplora]

What is this business about Strats and hollowbodies?

Ibanez RG7421, strung 10-52+70, with as much gain on a Recto channel as you can manage before the signal completely collapses.