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GtrJazz
08-03-2008, 01:32 PM
Do you guys think the new intel Nehalem CPU's are gonna provide better peformance than current 8-core machines? I heard the new mobo will support 24 gigs of ddr3 ram.

Keithho
08-03-2008, 02:49 PM
p45 supports 16gigs already.
I am sure nehalem will be better then its ancestor... well it should be.. :D

GtrJazz
08-03-2008, 03:20 PM
Thanks I had no idea. Why doesn't Visondaw just use the P45 mobo with the their Quad core CPU's?

Keithho
08-04-2008, 11:10 AM
VisionDaw aint the cheapest choice

GtrJazz
08-04-2008, 11:40 AM
Hey Keithho,
I know VisionDaw aint he cheapest choice just wanted to know why not use the P45 mobo so people can take advantage of 16 gigs of ram rather than 8? I know 4 gig ram sticks are expensive but so is server ram.

A.Leung
08-04-2008, 12:36 PM
Why don't you ask them? :)

GtrJazz
08-04-2008, 12:46 PM
Hey Allan I already asked to many question about their 8-core. Perhaps they just wanna get rid of all the stuff they have in stock. What do you think about the P45? I mean server mobo require a expensive PSU, ram and are usually a little louder. I would assume 24 gig system would be enough for PLAY.

A.Leung
08-04-2008, 08:53 PM
I would put my trust in what Vision Daw has speced out. What they spec is KNOWN to work under very brutal conditions. Its tried and tested in real working conditions.

A lot of speed gains, processor related or RAM related are discussed on forums, gaming, music , etc. Their reaches a point where you can overplan when designing a working system. Where RAM is concerned people are pilling it into their computers but if the Applications can only take advantage of so much ram why buy 32 gigs of ram if your system is going to only use 12?

To answer your question, :Yes a 24 gig system is just fine for PLAY.

visiondaw
08-05-2008, 01:50 AM
Hi Geah,

Allan has pointed out the most important aspect of a pro audio computer - stability and 24/7 reliability. To create such a system it is usually not a good idea to jump right into the newest technologies until all components (hardware and software) are thoroughly tested. Yes, there are new and cheaper motherboard solutions which can handle 16GB of memory, but how stable are the drivers, are the BIOS updates mature, any chipset issues, how do the new technologies (such as P45s Flex Memory, updated GMCH, etc.) effect pro audio apps, are the DDR3 bins stable, etc. We are continually testing hardware and software and when we feel a new platform is stable and reliable then we will release it to our clients. As for just selling items we have in-stock, we do not play the Dell game. We are dedicated to delivering our clients the best system(s) to run their software. EastWest has always lead the way with exceptional libraries and with the PLAY Advanced Sample Engine they have done it again with true 64-bit support, network control (coming), legato detection, etc. We take the time and dedication to validate our systems core hardware to make sure the software performs the way it meant to be perform, so our clients can concentrate on what they do best, compose music. Feel free to contact us regarding the EastWest software or systems.

Keithho
08-05-2008, 01:40 PM
I will buy a VisionDaw when i earned my first 100grand... till then.. its only a dream away...

paulwr
08-05-2008, 04:26 PM
I will buy a VisionDaw when i earned my first 100grand... till then.. its only a dream away...

You'll need it for the shipping cost..................

-Paul

A.Leung
08-05-2008, 04:55 PM
lol...

GtrJazz
08-05-2008, 05:14 PM
Anyone know when the Nahalem chip is coming out?

Shahin
08-05-2008, 06:24 PM
Realistically, how well will 4GB of RAM hold up, and how about 2GB? I'm limited to 2GB until I go to University and bank on my student loan to buy some upgrades ;)

Xplora
08-09-2008, 07:36 AM
^^ If you don't have a choice, do your best under the conditions :)

Jarrek2002
08-09-2008, 02:10 PM
The Nehalem chip is due out 2009, I believe Q4.

Besides having more cores, it has come back with the multi-threading concept, and if THAT works, it should be more efficient in terms of utilizing ALL cores equally.

Of course, the software will also have to be updated to utilize it, and by that time, Intel's next chip will be out.

2010 will introduce 12-cores, and something that replaces the FSB.

Exciting times! Remember the old Commadore 64?

GtrJazz
08-09-2008, 04:21 PM
I thought the 1st nehalem chip will come out in Q4 2008. Guess I was wrong

Jarrek2002
08-09-2008, 07:04 PM
NO, you might be right. It could be this year!

GtrJazz
08-09-2008, 09:34 PM
Anyone know the release date for the Nahalem chip. It will be nice to see what VisonDaw and Sonica labs build with these chips.

A.Leung
08-09-2008, 10:00 PM
No date has been released. Earliest buzz is September 2008.

The chip is guaranteed to give AMD more nosebleeds.

pinkster
08-10-2008, 03:45 AM
Here one of them latest announces due to Expreview:

All i7 processors and i7 Extreme Edition processor will be officially announced in Aug 11st, launch date set to Q4 this year.
http://en.expreview.com/2008/08/08/nehalem-to-become-core-i7-processor/

@ A. Leung: Isn't it this release, Intel is first time going to take advantage of AMD's innovation hyperthreading?

Cheers

Pietro
08-10-2008, 04:14 AM
As far as I know, Intel's Nehalem will also introduce new socket, which means, that we'll have to wait for new mobo's too. And they won't be cheap for a while.

Anyway, I'm quite excited too. Take that 8-core CPU, support it with 16GB or more RAM, and 4 SSD drives = realtime orchestra?

- Piotr

Keithho
08-10-2008, 04:33 AM
Pietro: Thats the good scenario.

What if: Program incompatibility and system crash = Realtime money waste. :wee:

pinkster
08-10-2008, 05:04 AM
As far as I know, Intel's Nehalem will also introduce new socket, which means, that we'll have to wait for new mobo's too. And they won't be cheap for a while.

Anyway, I'm quite excited too. Take that 8-core CPU, support it with 16GB or more RAM, and 4 SSD drives = realtime orchestra?

- Piotr

Right,

that new socket is a slight discourager including higher prices, but at the same time it's going to give a downslide to the previous core prices (I hope). But lots/lols? of new advantages as well.

Until now on new mobos for Intel architechture have been pretty ready when the launchdate comes.

GtrJazz
08-10-2008, 09:00 AM
I heard the new mobo's will only use DDR3 ram. Anyone know if that is true. Cause 16 gigs of DDR 3 = 2 visionDAW's

pinkster
08-11-2008, 10:24 AM
I heard the new mobo's will only use DDR3 ram. Anyone know if that is true. Cause 16 gigs of DDR 3 = 2 visionDAW's

I quess that's true, unfortunately if the prices are staying for long on those levels, since in our cases, the cost of the memory is quite demanding.
If we include in this that the only point that counts is the memory clock speed and the speed of the memory itself at same clocks compared between ddr2 and ddr3 are the same, the the high prices are simply hype! :mad:

See this if you like
http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2989

GtrJazz
08-11-2008, 11:20 AM
Anyone know where to get a 4 gig stick of ddr2 800mhz?

Pietro
08-11-2008, 01:05 PM
Check your local online stores. They are already available, at least here in Poland.

- Piotr

GtrJazz
08-11-2008, 11:31 PM
Thanks Pietro. I'm in Canada and cant find any 4 gig sticks. I know newegg has some but they dont ship to canada I think.

A.Leung
08-12-2008, 01:26 AM
Thanks Pietro. I'm in Canada and cant find any 4 gig sticks. I know newegg has some but they dont ship to canada I think.

http://www.memorysuppliers.com

They will ship to Canada.

GtrJazz
08-12-2008, 07:58 AM
Thanks Allan for the link. However I was unable to find and 4 gig sticks of DDR2 800mhz.

Pietro
08-12-2008, 08:53 AM
Here:

click (http://search.store.yahoo.net/cgi-bin/nsearch?catalog=memorysuppliers&query=8GB%20ddr2&.autodone=http://www.memorysuppliers.com/search.html&formSubmitted=true)

Not sure why the prices though. I can get a 2x4GB kit OCZ for an equivalent of $240 or Kingston for about $350...

- Piotr

GtrJazz
08-12-2008, 12:37 PM
Thanks Pietro. Yeah I think the prices are way to high. Maybe I have to wait a little more.

pinkster
08-20-2008, 10:52 AM
and it really is, slowly but still
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,656388/News/Asus_P6T_Deluxe_Bilder_und_Infos_des_X58-Mainboards_-_SLI-Support_bestaetigt/