PLAY as Standalone

[LMG]

If I run PLAY in Standalone mode in 64 bits, using a 32 bit sequencer:

1) The PLAY samples will enjoy the benefits of having a 64bit OS, although the sequencer is 32 bit? (I mean, avoid taxiing the PC, since you can load more samples having more than 4GB RAM due to 64 bit OS) Or both have to be 64 bit?

2) I don't need virtual midi cables, like MidiYoke, right?

[jloving]

1) Yes - though I've seen mentioned where PLAY can access all of a systems RAM (i.e beyond 4gigs) within certain hosts. I believe Logic was the one mentioned, but I don't know if this applies to other hosts or not.

2) You will need virtual cables if you are inputting the MIDI data to the host program. The virtual cables would carry the MIDI data out of the host to the PLAY standalone instance(s). Alternatively you could trigger the sounds in PLAY directly from your MIDI keyboard in which case you would not need to run virtual MIDI cables from the host to PLAY.

In either case, though, you will need a way of routing PLAY's audio output back into the host - this may take the form of some software application/driver (of which I have no experience and can't comment) or physically connecting your audio interfaces output to a separate input which is then recorded in the host.

Jon

[dezzo]

I do exactly the same thing here !

The Standalone Version i think is the better choice for me because of it´s Benefits ! I can do my Job now without having any major trouble.
I´m not really happy with the Plugin Version and the downsides of using plugins Generally (massive Loading times & Memory Management problems ).
Using the Standallone Version improved my Workflow, it´s like having external Computers loaded with loads of Samples !
I use the IAC Driver for midi and since RME has an internal loopback mode + multiapp Driver so there is no need to use something like Soundflower or Jack to provide internal Routing.
Logics System usage = 0 compared to the Setup loaded with tons of PLAY Instances. I got more space for something else here which is perfect !
Another Benefit is that the Songs pop up realy fast since i use more or less just MIDI and Audio Tracks ! Perfect for switching different Arrangements what i usually do for TV/Game Scoring Jobs using the same PLAY Template. Switching between Versions takes only a blink of an eye ;). A nearly 150 Track Arangement template loaded in 1 sek feels great:)

cheers,

D

[A.Leung]

Hey D, just to clarify, your using the standalone on the SAME computer that Logics on right? Or are you also using standalones on slave computers? (although I'm pretty sure you only have one 'puter')

[dezzo]

i have actually 2 Puters :) so i can even spread more . I´m close to finish my big Setup right now........on 1 puter ..
I´m clear that the Performance is still present but the loading time for a Song is reduced to 0 .

[Aetius33]

Wait Wait.... I have an RME Fireface 400. Can I use the loopback feature to run PLAY standalone on a 64 bit machine and control it withing my 32-bit sequencer? On the same computer?

Please say yes....

-Aetius

[dezzo]

YES

[dezzo]

Most of the People i know did the same thing with the Kontakt/Kompakt Version. They use it as Plugin AND Standalone. So if the Seq. reaches its limit you can load more inst. into the Standalone. That helps a lot.

[A.Leung]

Wait Wait.... I have an RME Fireface 400. Can I use the loopback feature to run PLAY standalone on a 64 bit machine and control it withing my 32-bit sequencer? On the same computer?

Please say yes....

-Aetius

yeppers.

[francois_harel]

Hi,

YOU LOOSE ME !!!

I actually looking for a trick to use EWQLSO in standalone mode and control it from my Finale 2009 which can host vst and also access to midi module. As I have many problem when I host EWQLO directly in Finale application, I need to use them as standalone.
How can I make that ?
I use Edirol UA-1000 as audio interface.
Thanks
Francois, Montreal

[Jim Curits]

Just curious...can this be done using Cubase 4?

[dezzo]

To Jim : You can use ANY Sequencer to do this. You just " outsource " the Beast so you have more freedom for anything else.:)

To francois : Just need more infos about your System.
1. are you working with PC or Mac ?
2. does Edirol feature to use the Sounddriver in multiple Aplications at the same time like RME ?

cheers,

D

[jbone1313]

Wait Wait.... I have an RME Fireface 400. Can I use the loopback feature to run PLAY standalone on a 64 bit machine and control it withing my 32-bit sequencer? On the same computer?

Please say yes....

-Aetius

Does anybody else get popping and crackling during their audio playback when doing this? If so, have you got a workaround?

The way I've been able to work around this is to loopback the audio with a physical cable with my RME FireFace 400. I use ASIO4ALL as PLAY's audio driver in this case, and the RME driver in my host.

It seems the problem occurs when I use the RME driver in both PLAY and my host.

Any insight would be appreciated. :)

[paletteman]

Mac Pro 8 Core
OSX 10.5.4
Pro Tools 7.4.2
MOL (midi over lan) software

If you are a Pro Tools user with my config.. you know, Kontakt, v2 or v3 are both not compatible with ProTools /RTAS. I am trying to make, what I have been told, could be a viable work around by using Kontakt as a stand alone program in the background using the midioverland software.

The concept of running MOL from my main Mac Pro computer back into itself vial local mode is working, BUT, there is a problem with a feedback loop when I try to record midi in Pro Tools. Crashes Pro Tools and I literally have to reboot the computer. MOL tech support said the only way I can get around this is to disable midi thru in Pro Tools. Well, dhaa, if I do that, I get no ability to play and record midi live! They said to call Digi, which I did, but they pretty much washed their hands of any support or solutions due to this being a 3rd party software. Is there anyone able to do what I am trying to do successfully? I have tried tweaking the apple audio/midi setup but can't find any way around the problem.

[jbone1313]

Also, does anyone have any tips for mixing your Orch in standalone? You can send CCs from the host to control Vol, Pan, Expression, etc. But other than CC automation and mixing within PLAY, do you have any pointers?

It would be cool if PLAY had a mixer like Kontakt.

[jbone1313]

Does anybody else get popping and crackling during their audio playback when doing this? If so, have you got a workaround?

The way I've been able to work around this is to loopback the audio with a physical cable with my RME FireFace 400. I use ASIO4ALL as PLAY's audio driver in this case, and the RME driver in my host.

It seems the problem occurs when I use the RME driver in both PLAY and my host.

Any insight would be appreciated. :)

BTW: There is a good discussion about this on the RME Forum that I've just found. I've posted a reply there too.

http://www.rme-audio.de/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1189&p=1

[francois_harel]

Dear Dezzo,

Sorry for this delay.
I fix all my problem with the stand-alone version of PLAY. Now, I use the asio driver (which is was provide for my audio interface) instead of wkm. Also, I use LoopBe30 and it works between either Finale 2009 or Sonar 8 and the stand-alone PLAY.
Sounds is very good and I now working on the tuning of FInale in order to adequatly control all KS of EWQLSO. At this time, I have a basic setup which enable Finale to control couple of strings articulation.
I can also host PLAY in Finale as well as with Sonar.
For now, those problems seems to be fixed.
Thanks for your attention.
Francois, Montreal

[Memphis]

This will solve my problems!!

Im now sitting with a 32-system, a singelcore and EW Gold with Cubase Le and Rewire with Reason.

But Im going to build a new 64-bit-computer with Quadcore and get EW Gold PLAY wich is 64bit but the problem was that Rewire dont work with a 64bit-sequencer like Cubase 4 that I was going to buy. So if I can stay with 32-bit-Cubase (I´ll get SX3 so I can use the quadcore), the standalone feature in EW Gold solves it all. I can take advantage of more RAM to Gold and still be able to use Rewire! Greeeat! Cheers and thanks for letting me know.

/Memphis

[LittleLeadMen]

I have a similar question. I've run VSTs within Cubase 4.5, but now am interested in running them externally to take advantage of RAM. I have a Intel MacPro, Cubase 4.5 and EWQLSO.

Can anyone give me a step by step on how to run PLAY as a standalone, with Cubase sending it MIDI data and then receiving the MIDI playback OR audio from PLAY?

I feel like an idiot, but I can't seem to figure out how to do it.

Thanks in advance!

Jonathan

[dezzo]

Good to see that it worked out verry well :cool: !

My Template is growing and until now i don´t have any Problems , no crashes so far , stable and fast. Logic8 runs like a charm !

To jbone1313 :

You can use multiple outs for Sections ( 1-2 for Wood , 3-4 for Brass etc. ) . It depends what and how many Sections you have loaded into PLAY. You can record them straight into your Seq and start mixing.
But you should have a nice balance and dynamic range in your orchestration first. I don´t or rarely touch my Audio faders. Close and Far mics together doing the magic for me , can´t believe that i was working without them before.........

cheers,

D

[jbone1313]

But you should have a nice balance and dynamic range in your orchestration first. I don´t or rarely touch my Audio faders.

Better yet: Per the manual, send a C7 message at the beginning of your track. Then adjust your expression, etc.

[dezzo]

For general volume handling yeah . There are many ways to do it but i personally don´t like too much controller stuff in my tracks so i generrally bring down my section mixes via Audio fader, set them at the same amount which is more easy and clear. 2 Controllers are enough for controling one patch of 100........
Having a numeric Representation of the Master Fader could help to set the Volume of each instruments at the same amount directly in PLAY. I don´t know why it´s not there.....maybe they forgot.....:eek:


cheers,

D