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Nicky
04-19-2005, 01:57 AM
Hi, i'am a new member on this forum...
Pardon me for my terrible english... :o

I like the music compostion score, and I shearch a guide for the music composition in french... specially for the beguinners..

Can you help me ?

Thanks...

neoTypic
04-19-2005, 01:59 AM
You may be in luck!

Laurent JUILLET just recently posted some links to his tutorials (http://www.soundsonline-forums.com/showthread.php?t=142) which are in french:
Hello.

I wrote several articles about orchestra and home studio. I am sorry they are in french. So for those who could read french here are the links. I really hope this work could help someone.

Recréer un orchestre Symphonique (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/laurentjuillet/siteweb/article-recreer-un-orchestre.htm)

Registres et Téssitures. (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/laurentjuillet/siteweb/article-registres-et-tessitures.htm)

Harmonie et système tonal (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/laurentjuillet/siteweb/article-harmonie-et-systeme-total.htm)

amo
04-19-2005, 02:01 AM
you beat me, neotypic !;)

neoTypic
04-19-2005, 02:02 AM
Muhahah! ;)

Sowwy, I work graveyards in an ER and during quiet lulls I check the boards. :p

amo
04-19-2005, 02:05 AM
ok ok..... But ! I've got another one....
Seriously, Nicky, there is a nice site, talking more about composition than orchestration, don't know if it is of any help for (you may be a skilled composer already...). here:

http://membres.lycos.fr/mbaron/
Regards,

Amaury

Nicky
04-19-2005, 02:19 AM
Thanks ! The answers are very fast here !
Ok.. The links are interessting, and thanks again for this.. but, Can I find an answer for a guy who don't know the solfège... as me :o

neoTypic
04-19-2005, 02:47 AM
I'm sorry, I'm not good at finding useful sites in languages I can't read, but I can help with solfeggio if you can follow my english. It's rather simple.

Solfeggio is just using different names for notes according to where they are in the scale. The tonic of the scale is called 'Do' and it goes in this order:

I Do
ii Re
iii Mi
IV Fa
V Sol
vi La
vii Ti
VII/I Do

So in the key of C Major, 'Do' would be C, and as follows:

C Do
D Re
E Mi
F Fa
G Sol
A La
B Ti
C Do

If you were to arpeggiate a I chord in C Major you would sing: Do Mi Sol Do (CEGD).

Anything I can make clearer for yah bud?

Nicky
04-19-2005, 03:02 AM
Thanks Neo Topic.. but I am more beginner for all understand..
My composition is do "à l'oreille", without theories, but for the musical classical or score music, the rules harmony and others are primordiales..
Exist a methode book for a guy as me ?

neoTypic
04-19-2005, 03:07 AM
I'm sure there are many, unfortunately I can't help much with books in French I'm afraid. :o

I can help with basic music theory if you can understand my english if you'd like. PM me or e-mail me through my profile.

Maybe one of our other members can help you better than I, as I know of at least 2 that speak French as their native language. ;)

I also do mine largely by ear as well. Theory is often applied in hindsight to understand why it sounds good. Heheh.

Laurent JUILLET
04-19-2005, 03:23 AM
What is the problem Nicky?

Do you want to know a french theory method?

Laurent JUILLET
04-19-2005, 03:30 AM
Sorry I didn't see the first question.

What do you want to know in composition. I don't know if a real composition method exist. There is a lot of method based on specific technicsn but not on an overall view of composition.

If you want to write in an orchestral style, i think you should read some score fromm other composers. Here is a little list of good choices:

The rite of the Spring (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0486411745/qid=1113895999/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/103-8951152-9883015?v=glance&s=books) by Igor Stravinsky

Petrushka (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0486408701/ref=pd_sim_b_2/103-8951152-9883015?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance)

The Planets (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0486414027/ref=pd_sim_b_3/103-8951152-9883015?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance) by Gustav Holst

Sherazade (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0486406415/ref=pd_sim_b_5/103-8951152-9883015?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance) by Nikolay Rimsky-Korsakov

Capriccio Espagnol and Other Concert Favorites in Full Score (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0486402495/qid=1113896750/sr=1-6/ref=sr_1_6/103-8951152-9883015?v=glance&s=books) by Nikolay Rimsky-Korsakov

La Mer (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0486298485/qid=1113896933/br=1-10/ref=br_lf_b_10//103-8951152-9883015?v=glance&s=books&n=1823) by Claude Debussy

Symphony N°2 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0486406296/qid=1113897070/br=1-18/ref=br_lf_b_18//103-8951152-9883015?v=glance&s=books&n=1823) by Serge Rachmaninoff

Daphnis and Chloe (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0486258262/qid=1113897271/br=1-14/ref=br_lf_b_14//103-8951152-9883015?v=glance&s=books&n=1823) by Maurice Ravel

Le Tombeau de Couperin and Valses Nobles et Sentimentales (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0486418987/qid=1113897351/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/103-8951152-9883015?v=glance&s=books) by Maurice Ravel

La Valse (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0486295915/qid=1113897948/br=1-6/ref=br_lf_b_6//103-8951152-9883015?v=glance&s=books&n=1823) by Maurice Ravel

Rapsodie Espagnole, Mother Goose Suite, and Pavane for a Dead Princess (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0486418995/qid=1113897351/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/103-8951152-9883015?v=glance&s=books) by Maurice Ravel

Serenade in C, Op. 48 and Suite No. 4, Op. 61 "Mozartiana" (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0486404145/qid=1113897569/sr=1-9/ref=sr_1_9/103-8951152-9883015?v=glance&s=books) by Peter Ilyitch Tchaikovsky

Romeo and Juliet Overture and Capriccio Italien (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0486252175/qid=1113897569/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/103-8951152-9883015?v=glance&s=books) by Peter Ilyitch Tchaikovsky

Symphony N°6 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0486299546/qid=1113897569/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/103-8951152-9883015?v=glance&s=books) by Peter Ilyitch Tchaikovsky

Nutcracker Suite (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0486253791/103-8951152-9883015?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=1823&s=books&v=glance) by Peter Ilyitch Tchaikovsky

Concerto for Orchestra (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0851621899/qid=1113898117/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/103-8951152-9883015?v=glance&s=books) by Béla Bartók

Scythean Suite (http://www.boosey.com/pages/shop/product_detail.asp?id=602824&a=) by Serge prokofieff



and many others...

I think we have to read orchestral score at the same time that we read orchestration books.

Nicky
04-19-2005, 03:55 AM
Salut Laurent,

On va parler là dans notre langue marternelle pour mieux communiquer...
Tout d'abord félicitation pour tes compositions, c'est vraiment magnifiques, j'aime BEAUCOUP...

Bon, voilà, j'ai toujours composé à l'oreille, mais j'ai jamais pris des cours de solfège et j'ai appris le piano sur le tas..

Maintenant, j'ai déjà fais quelques compositions typé musique de films avec sons d'orchestres et j'aimerais aller plus loin, mais là, je sent bien que mes lacunes sont un véritable boulet. J'ai pleins d'idées, j'ai même la musique dans la tête, mais difficile de l'orchestrer de manière à ce que le rendu finale puisse être probant... et là, c'est la technique et la théorie qui me manquent..
Malheureusement, je ne comprend pas grand chose à tout le jargon "solfègique" de ces bouquins sur l'harmonisation et sur la composition de musique de film, classique...
Peut être une solution, livre+exemples musicaux, pourrait davantage m'aider, mais est ce que cela existe ?

En tout cas, merci pour tes références citées, je vais y jeter un oeil...

Merci encore...

Laurent JUILLET
04-19-2005, 04:05 AM
Salut Nicky,

la première chose c'est de lire la musique, au moins en clé de sol, Fa et Ut. Sinon tu ne pourras pas lire les exemples musicaux, que ce soient des scores ou des bouquins théoriques.
Petit, j'ai appris sur le manuel pratique de lecture der G.Dandelot, mais il existe surement des tonnes de livres plus modernes traitan de la lecture de note.

Ensuite il va te falloir apprendre l'harmonie, est tous cas la théoriser pour comprendre le fonctionnement des enchaînements d'accords. Je n saurai que trop te conseiller de trouver un professeur pour cela, c'est difficile en autodidacte. Simplement car on manque souvent de recul.

Ensuite il te faut étudier les partitions des morceaux que tu aimes pour comprendre comment les compositeurs arrivent à écrire leurs idées.


I am very sorry, but it's a nightmare for me to traduce my words, I hope someone could do this.

Nicky
04-19-2005, 04:31 AM
Salut Laurent,

C'est bien ce que je pensais, il n'y a pas d'enseignment miracle.. je dois passer par l'apprentissage de la lecture des notes et des harmonies...

Merci Laurent

traduction :

Ok, there's not miracle, the learns classical musical ans harmonie are the need...

Thanks laurent

evaclear
04-20-2005, 03:46 AM
Yes, there's a few lesssons in between Do, Re ,Mi and Petrushka :D :D

AndyFinkenstadt
04-20-2005, 09:09 AM
If you want to write in an orchestral style, i think you should read some score fromm other composers. Here is a little list of good choices: ... and many others.

Thank goodness for Amazon Prime ($80/year unlimited 2-day shipping), I've ordered some orchestral scores to study and learn from. Also, to learn the instruments of EWQLSO in recreating some of it.

THank goodness for PhotoScore Sibelius Edition to accelerate data entry. =)

:D