When Loading 2 Wordbuilders or 2 Voices in One Instance...

[Dean Krommydas]

Hi folks,

This might be something really obvious... I really don't know at this point. Just looking for some answers if possible.

To keep things simple and use an example in the manual...if I want to load up a full men's or women's choir...I am instructed to load up an "R" multi for Sopranos & Altos and/or a "R"multi for Tenors & Basses.

To stick to women's choir....it may help to just say that I assigned Sopranos to channel 1 (both MIDI IN & MIDI OUT) & Altos to channel 2 (BOTH MIDI IN AND MIDI OUT) of Wordbuilder. I do not have KONTAKT so I am supposed to use 2 separate instances of KOMPAKT & Wordbuilder.

SO far so good I thinks....

Here's the problem...

Once I have everything set up correctly... channel 1 "Sopranos" pronounce everthing fine. Channel 2 "Altos" start speaking in tongues or something :eek: --- Said another way... for whatever reason... the second voice although it can be heard... it does not pronounce what I type.

Same goes for when I attempt it for full men's choir. ...or anything else for that matter. I have tried experimenting by loading up 2 separate wordbuilders as well as 2 voices within one instance of wordbuilder just to see what would happen.

Anyone know what I need to do to get both voices singing what I want them to simultaneously?

Thanks in advance!

[Sam Fischmann]

Hello,

Maybe for the output, set the Sopranos to 1 and the altos to 6. WordBuilder uses 5 channels of output, starting at the one you set.

-Sam

[Dean Krommydas]

Hey Sam,

I gave it a shot and at best... I could get the second voice - in this instance the altos - to pronounce basic vowels like "o" or "E" --- It will not pronounce letters prior to the vowels.

So for instance in votox I have:

Kro-mE

The Sopranos sing both "Kro" & "mE" with no problem --- the Altos sing only "o" and "E"

As a side note...I have a Muse Receptor that I have also installed Symphonic Choirs on... that is...in addition to my main host computer. I currently DO NOT use the RECEPTOR (it's off) because I have this cutting off of letters and only pronunciating of vowels issue with any one voice that I may load up... nevermind 2 or 3 etc. Similar but different...and I am waiting on someone from MUSE to elaborate for me but there is only one guy so I am told who has the same setup as me so they are clueless for the time being. I'm just thinking it is somehow related in some way...but I am also clueless.

To stay focused on the problem at hand though... obviously I NEED to get more than one voice to sing what I want them to sing. Other than using separate MIDI channels and separate instances of Wordbuilder...what other options are there if any?

This is really frustrating and keeping me from finishing my composition.

Thanks for the first try Sam...what should I try next?

[Russell_D]

To stick to women's choir....it may help to just say that I assigned Sopranos to channel 1 (both MIDI IN & MIDI OUT) & Altos to channel 2 (BOTH MIDI IN AND MIDI OUT) of Wordbuilder. I do not have KONTAKT so I am supposed to use 2 separate instances of KOMPAKT & Wordbuilder.

Are wordbuilder and kompakt both meant to be midi in and midi out?

[Dean Krommydas]

Hi Russell,

What I meant by this is when you first bring up the Voice Properties at the start of Wordbuilder for example there are 2 sections to set the channel -- the top section is MIDI IN and the bottom section is MIDI OUT --- I have channel 1 set to the same channel (in both sections - IN & OUT) as well as Channel 6 selected in both sections of Voice 2 and what I believe Sam was suggesting was to set Voice 1 Properties to Channel 1 (The midi ports are what are set differently & is something else) and Voice 2 Properties to Channel 6.

If you're suggesting the channels of the in and out be set differently that's something else to try out. I'll take a looksy this evening after work and check back later.

Take care!

[Sam Fischmann]

Hello Neo,

My apologies for completely misunderstanding your previous post. My assumption now is that you're trying to use one WordBuilder 'Women's Choir' instance for two Kompakts? I haven't tested this recently, but here's how I would go about doing it:

Load WordBuilder, and two instances of Choirs in your sequencer. Setup WordBuilder according to your sequencer's instructions. For WordBuilder's voice type, pick Women's Choir. For the output, pick whatever MIDI port goes to the two Choirs instances, and choose channel 1.

In your Sopranos instance, load a Multi. In the Altos instance, load an altos Multi, but click on each instrument starting from the one loaded in slot 1, and set them to MIDI channels 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10, respectively.

If you are using WordBuilder's advanced MIDI out and have to use two different MIDI out ports (the first five for sopranos out one, the second five for altos out another), you won't have to do any channel switching.

Your Receptor problem stems from the fact that Muse has not yet updated the choirs installer for the Receptor to the latest Kompakt player. Unfortunately, this means that it's not receiving the messages that Choirs needs for volume crossfades, and that causes a lot of problems with WordBuilder. As soon as you see an update for Choirs 1.0.9 on the Plugorama site, grab it!

-Sam

[Dean Krommydas]

Hey Sam,

No need to apologize I think I needed to be clearer. Just so you know before I clarify everything... I got it to work based on something else you said this time around. :)

So here's the deal:

I do not have a KONTAKT player therefore according to the manual I have to use/load two separate instances of Wordbuilder. To achieve a "Women's Choir" it instructs me to load an "R" Soprano multi in one instance of Wordbuilder and a "R" Alto multi in another instance of Wordbuilder. To achieve a "Men's Choir" it instructs me to load a "R" Tenor multi in one instance of Wordbuilder and a "R" Bass multi in another instance of Wordbuilder.

Wordbuilder only offers a selection for "Women" as used by the KONTAKT player....same goes for the "Men."

So here's what I did to get things to work:

I loaded up 2 voices inside one instance of Wordbuilder. Voice 1 was Sopranos & Voice 2 was Altos. In Wordbuilder I set Channel 1 for the Sopranos & Channel 6 for the Altos. In the KOMPAKT instrument within my sequencer as you said the Sopranos multi basically used channels 1-5.... this time around you mentioned making sure in the Altos that I set each individual field included in the multi to 6, 7, 8, 9 & 10 respectively. That's what I needed to do. I only had 6 set and the other fields were using 2, 3, 4 & 5 --- so there was an overlap of sorts and that's what caused the "speaking in tongues" and such that I mentioned.

Bottom line is.... it is possible to load 2 voices within one instance of Wordbuilder rather than 2 spearate instances of Wordbuilder and the indivdual channels within the KOMPAKT player found in the sequencer are what need to be assigned accordingly.

I'll get into loading up both Women's and Men's together next... but I'm just gonna try and enjoy a few things for now!:D

Thanks Sam!

[Sam Fischmann]

Hello Neo,

To be honest, you should really stick to using 2 wordbuilders and 2 Kompakts.

In the first wordbuilder, use Sopranos. In the first choirs, use Sopranos. Use one set of MIDI ports according to the instructions on our FAQ.

In the second wordbuilder, use Altos. In the second choirs, use Altos. Use another set of MIDI ports according to the instructions on our FAQ.

-Sam

[Dean Krommydas]

I did use 2 instances of KOMPAKT but just one instance of Wordbuilder. I have no problem doing what you suggest Sam.... just curious as to the logic behind/involved for using 2 Wordbuilders rather than 2 voices inside one Wordbuilder and getting the same results?

[Sam Fischmann]

I think we have a misunderstanding about 'instances'

You're doing in your last post exactly what I mention: using two WordBuilder voices instead of one. That's exactly what the voice system was designed for. One voice for each instance of Kompakt. You should be using the Sopranos and Altos voices, and not two Womens voices, though. That way you don't have to do any custom channel assigning.

-Sam

[Dean Krommydas]

Heh --- Ok Sam,

Yes we are definitely misunderstanding each other! NO worries though I think we'll be all clear momentarily.

When the manual states to use 2 instances of Wordbuilder and 2 Kompakts and as you mentioned before: "2 wordbuilders and 2 Kompakts."

I take the 2 instances of Wordbuilder to mean loading Wordbuilder twice. In other words START >PROGRAMS >WORDBUILDER then AGAIN... START>PROGRAMS>WORDBUILDER. Thus 2 instances of Wordbuilder would be open.

When I say 2 voices inside one instance of WORDBUILDER...I mean:
START>PROGRAMS >WORDBUILDER>VOICE 1 Sopranos then NEW VOICE >VOICE 2>Altos --- all within what I would understand as one instance of Wordbuilder. I could then obviously do a 3rd and 4th voice. So all that to say I guess I'm just making sure/being cautious that I am not loading things incorrectly or other than the way that is recommended. I guess I am just a very literal person... "Wordbuilder instance" means something different than "Worbuilder voice" to me.

As far as the KOMPAKT goes... I have no problems there. I am using an "R" Sopranos multi & a "R" Altos multi as the manual instructs and not 2 women's....I can't use 2 women's anyway because strictly "Women's" is only offered as an option if you have a KONTAKT player...which I don't.

Hope that clarifies things!

Take care Sam!

[Sam Fischmann]

Think we're good here, and I see exactly what you mean. You're correct in that you really are using two WordBuilder voices inside one instance.

-Sam