300

[Nathan Allen Pinard]

First of all, I was just wondering if anyone liked the score, or even the movie itself?

I wrote a review on it for a Gerard Butler fan site (my gf is part of this site, so no I'm not a hardcore fan of butler)

I'm hesitant to post it on here because I'm in no way a music critic, but what the hell... At any rate, I tried to be as fair as possible.

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You know, in the film scoring world I usually despise some music critics. Usually because half the time they aren't musicians or just are not GOOD musicians. Often times they don't even listen to the score half the time and just bash the composer because of their reputation. Or they did listen to the soundtrack, but maybe the first 5 minutes of it. Maybe their points were valid, but they don’t' usually do it in a constructive way.

So in this review I'm going to give you a more in-depth perspective as best as I can

I also won't be reviewing the soundtrack as a single entity. Because after seeing the movie, the soundtrack didn't get a fair deal because of the capacity of a compact disc, and the choices of whoever it is that was responsible for picking what tracks are on that disc.

This soundtrack says one thing to me: Chaos

The Technique:

Tyler Bates creates a chaotic sense with sound effects overlapping each other, synth pads, vocals and other sound effects along with a slight musical ambience entwined within the mass wall of sound you hear usually through some of the tough battle scenes. But he does change it throughout the film so the audience doesn't get bored with it. With style and genre of this film, not to mention just the type of filming they do and the mood they set, this style of music couldn't be more perfect.

The Theme:

In the scene where he returns from his journey after killing the wolf, you hear probably what was deemed the main theme of the film. A big powerful choir sounds his return, which is highly appropriate and sounds operatic and almost roman. More so Tyler decided to stick with the time period and incorporate some old percussion styles such as the roman sounding horns and the clashing sheets of metal and gongs together. Then he tops it off with a heavy orchestra presence. Now I kept telling myself "give it more from the orchestra" such as him actually changing chords and maybe incorporating some harmonies, which he rarely did through the film. But at that point in the film, it seemed to make sense. Since in those times there was music, but it wasn't evolved so much as today. So usually from what I've noticed in films such as this, the composer tries to retain that style of music by writing simpler passages. Still it left me hanging on a thread making me want him to move elsewhere with the music. But perhaps that was his goal...

The Battle:

Most composer mistakes in battle music are to try to overtake the scene and just smother it in music. There are cases however, where some presence is required (such as Gladiator) however most films I've never been overly impressed with the battle music. Battle music is meant not to add to the clash and bang of sword and shield, but to ENHANCE it. Tyler does this well adding sound effects that don’t' clash with the SFX so much such layering ambience in the background, and then the classic "war drum" effect that is so popular throughout epic films like this.

But then he does something unexpected...he adds electric guitar. Now some people wouldn't have associated this film with electric guitar at all but it makes sense. He also did a good job of hiding it in the mix to where it wasn't too dominant (that of course is credited to the engineer however) He uses E Guitar throughout the film, however in one of the last battle scenes he makes it more dominant and noticeable.

There is also a point where he gives the audience a relief and brings back a traditional orchestral approach to the battle.

The Message:

I thought the most noticeable and worthy piece in this film is when he sends the message back home. As he looks in that wide view of the valley you hear a piece that isn't even on the soundtrack CD. It definitely gives the sense of patriotism but in a different way. The message to the Queen music was also moving with the ethereal vocals that have always captured us in films.

The bottom line of this soundtrack is that it's very different for a film like this, but very well done. Although I really wanted him to move into a more harmonic style of writing at times he didn't for a long time in the film, but then he satisfied that want at the scene where he sends the message back home. It still just didn't hit me though. Not as hard as it should've in an emotional sense. I also still believe this soundtrack was missing one thing, and that's a reprisal of the theme throughout the film and I didn't hear that as much as I wanted to. It's not required, but most people can relate to that style of writing. I mean, how many times have you left a film humming the theme? I dont' see that happening with this film.

So what was actually real in this film?

In the scenes where various sound effects and musical instruments are overlapped with each other I believe he used mostly virtual instruments. Most of the battle music I believe was also virtual. The Electric Guitar had to be virtual, unless he deemed it necessary to hire a real guitarist. But I don’t believe it was present enough in this film to justify that.

All SFX and Ethnic percussion was most likely virtual as well.

However, in some of the scenes where you hear bigger orchestra dominance, that is a live recording of the orchestra. Also, the ethereal vocals used on some tracks are also real as well. They are probably the only two things in this film that were hired for recording. (EDIT: In reading other reviews it seems that a certain world group was hired as well. However, I'm not entirely sure for what since percussion sample nowadays are very high quality)

But of course, I could be wrong. :)

[cosmodos]

A big powerful choir sounds his return, which is highly appropriate and sounds operatic and almost roman. More so Tyler decided to stick with the time period and incorporate some old percussion styles such as the roman sounding horns and the clashing sheets of metal and gongs together.

Greek, not Roman.

[chocothrax]

Anyone that likes the score for 300 should check out Goldenthals Titus cause thats the score Bates rips off note for note in places. :)

[Sherief83]

The problem with the score is that it didn't flow well and at a times it just didn't have this epic sound to it, even I thought I could write better music than that (no bragging, pointing out how generic it was), especially the emotional scene by the end.

[Nathan Allen Pinard]

Yes that's what I was trying to convey, there was something missing.

However, there is an interview in film music weekly about this score. He stated that he tried and tried to create something more melodic, but he wanted the SFX and dialogue to stand out and harmonic music seemed to complete with those two things.

I still agree though, that there should've been a little more emotion in the end. However, some would disagree with that.

Oh and forgive my ignorance on the "Roman sounding" stuff. When I was writing that, I was thinking of specific ancient Roman instruments that I have heard. But yes, you are right they were Greeks NOT romans.

[Se7eN]

I saw "300" last night. It wasn't nearly as good as people made it out to be. I agree that some parts of it sounded a lot like Titus. Especially towards the end.

Some parts also reminded me a lot of the Black Hawk Down OST and the Gladiator OST by Zimmer, so I got pretty bored with the music, because a lot of the ideas Bates used were already done with recent scores. Kinda like I heard 3-4 soundtracks just fused together and thrown into the film randomly.

[chocothrax]

I saw "300" last night. It wasn't nearly as good as people made it out to be. I agree that some parts of it sounded a lot like Titus. Especially towards the end.

Some parts also reminded me a lot of the Black Hawk Down OST and the Gladiator OST by Zimmer, so I got pretty bored with the music, because a lot of the ideas Bates used were already done with recent scores. Kinda like I heard 3-4 soundtracks just fused together and thrown into the film randomly.

It is very close to Black Hawk Down. I believe it's the first track on the 300 cd and Tribal War from Black Hawk Down that sound the same. As for the end part of 300 part of it is note for note Titus.

[Esoteric]

I have strong distaste to much of this score simply because Tyler Bates refused to create original music that would have the same effect as the obvious temps of Gladiator, Titus, and Black Hawk Down. It says something when the last track of 300, Remember Us, can be LAYERED on Goldenthal's Finale for Titus and still sound musical. Heck, the LAST NOTE IS THE SAME. There is a clip of this layering somewhere, but it avoids me at the moment. There are some original ideas going on, and some of it is great, but for a movie as well done as 300, you would think the composer could at least be original.

Also, I want to correct the notion that a lot of the score is virtual. After reading numerous interviews with Bates, as well as looking at the credits in the score insert slip, I believe that much of the score is real. There are credits for all ethnic percussion, all FX, ann ethnic strings and wind instruments. Guitar is live and was performed by Bates himself. Obvously, the recorded score was mixed heavily in the studio, and there are SOME obvious virtual parts (credited as Electronic Development to Wolfgang Matthes), but it does at least say something of the mentality of Bates that he chose to have the score, for the most part, recorded live.

--Doug

[chocothrax]

I have strong distaste to much of this score simply because Tyler Bates refused to create original music that would have the same effect as the obvious temps of Gladiator, Titus, and Black Hawk Down. It says something when the last track of 300, Remember Us, can be LAYERED on Goldenthal's Finale for Titus and still sound musical. Heck, the LAST NOTE IS THE SAME. There is a clip of this layering somewhere, but it avoids me at the moment. There are some original ideas going on, and some of it is great, but for a movie as well done as 300, you would think the composer could at least be original.--Doug

Did you hear my mp3 comparison on VI control where I layered Titus and 300 on top of each other and it sounded like one piece? Or did you just do the same thing? :)

[Esoteric]

My friend showed it to me in an email. Says his friend did it. Could be you...

[drew]

Would you propose that Tyler Bates confess he was cornered and raped or just ride the wave and ignore the critique as best he can, accepting credit in deference and making the best of the situation? Maybe I'm projecting because I've been there. Maybe Tyler Bates just got lazy but I am only speaking from my own experience about how much sway temp dubs and editors have over music nowadays. It's ruining the creativity of the underscore business and it shows everywhere you look. I wish I could see it as a pendulum about to swing back but from where I sit it looks more like a train that left the station for somewhere else way far down the track.

Agreed. Give the guy a break, this is his first big Hollywood film scoring gig and I'm pretty sure he did what he was asked to do. I've listened to some of his scores and I think he is a very talented composer and he could well be a huge success. Not solely because of his music, but also being able to play the game, get along and keep the directors and producers happy.

[Dean Krommydas]

Well it sounds like everyone knows more about this score than I do...but the funny thing is...I've been driving around for the past 2 weeks listening to it intently (on my way into work and on my way home) so in coming here...I felt I would know the score more intimately than anyone on this site! :o

Anyway...to first acknowledge some of the previous posts... while I thought the film itself was almost completely original...I noticed the lack of originality in both the film and music in the grain field with wife and son (after husband's death) ...and a woman chanting. That couldn't have been more like Gladiator.

I also picked up on some similarities in music to Black Hawk down...but I have never heard Titus...so I had no clue about this...I'm interested now in getting Titus and listening in. I'm sure what you guys are saying is true.

So here's what I'll share...coming from NOT KNOWING it was even more unoriginal than I had suspected & from the perspective of simply how the music effects me....

The music pumps me up ... particualrly tracks 1, 4, 7, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17 & 18. There is nothing else I can say except that I think they are well done, well polished, fit the scenes as intended and they pump me up! Track 25 (last track) when I first heard and saw it in the film...it made my hair stand up & still does. :eek: I really like it!

In fairness...I did feel that this last track could have gone out with just a bit more pizazz & that it leaves me hanging...but...oh well...I continue to find that most pieces I really enjoy seem to have this tendency...that is... leaving me thirsting for more. All I know is...it causes good energy to flow through my body when I hear it and allow myself to be inspired by it....so it gets a thumbs up from me.

I can analyze everything to death and I respect everyone's opinion here as I share many of the same views mentioned...but I guess tonight I am putting away more of the analytical comparative approach & just coming from the perspective of a guy who drove around to trade shows for the past 2 weeks listening to 300 and needed some extra spice/motivation. The music accomplished this for me. It also conjured up images...images from not only the film but random imaginative images and ideas in my mind.

It's interesting...reading through the posts...someone had mentioned that they felt they could either match or compose better music. While driving around I kinda caught myself thinking along these lines too...more to the effect of "could I compose something like this...yes I think I could" but then I realized I have no idea what Bates' circumstances were. Here's a guy who is a professional and scoring a multi-milllion dollar film. Can't say I'm a professional yet or that I've ever done this or could do this just yet. Good for him...and good to know we could also be there someday and be able to learn from what he did...right or wrong...circumstances...etc. Anyone who feels they can compose better music... then I think they should (at the very least) thank Bates for giving us yet another possible measuring rod to go by and sticking his neck out there. Imagine the delight of a director when you deliver them a better score than what the multi-million dollar film 300's score is.

I'm painting with broad strokes here of course...but I hope you see where that's coming from.

Take it easy guys...I'm beat

[Halvor_H]

Sorry I'm not sticking to the topic here, but I saw the film yesterday, and have to warn other who haven't NOT to buy a ticket for this one. Largest peace of crap I've seen for some time... A person-gallery from taken from “Quake” and mixed with history from ancient Greece ...no-no!:eek:

[Jamtheguitarman]

Sorry I'm not sticking to the topic here, but I saw the film yesterday, and have to warn other who haven't NOT to buy a ticket for this one. Largest peace of crap I've seen for some time... A person-gallery from taken from “Quake” and mixed with history from ancient Greece ...no-no!:eek:


Please, if you dont have anything worthwhile saying, just shut up.

[Halvor_H]

Please, if you dont have anything worthwhile saying, just shut up.


Oh yeah! We all have to love those bombastic films.....else we have to shut up!
I'll send your stupid comment in return.

[Dean Krommydas]

So to follow you off topic a bit...I'm not so sure your comments were any better. No offense of course...let me explain...

This was a film adaptation of the novel 300 by Frank Miller. Miller was actually an executive producer and consultant, and all the cool imagery we see in the film was achieved via bluescreen to try & match imagery of the original comic book. Combined with this one-of-a-kind hiSTORY of the 300...it at least made the movie unique. I thought there were a few smutty scenes but overall I got sucked in...and would recommend seeing it to anyone who doesn't mind battle violence and can handle a few quick sex scenes...oh yeah...and probably not a good idea for the younglings. To me...that's a more fair warning & better description than:

...and have to warn other who haven't NOT to buy a ticket for this one. Largest peace of crap I've seen for some time...

A person-gallery from taken from “Quake” and mixed with history from ancient Greece ...no-no![/

And to the comment...

Oh yeah! We all have to love those bombastic films.....else we have to shut up!

Of course you're entitled to your opinion...but just a thought...when I hear the word bombastic...that word usually denotes to me something pretentious, arrogant or over the top. I don't think this movie was like that at all (IMO of course). It accomplished what it set out to do as I mentioned briefly above what that was...but also financially...it's made BONGO bucks... I read somewhere that it has tripled its production costs. This movie surrounds themes of valor, honor, preserving lifestyle & glory...themes which resonate in me and I know it has done so for many others. Have I seen better films?...yup...but chalking it up to being like Quake & a piece of crap... I don't think does it justice.

[Jamtheguitarman]

Exactly Neo.

I dont treat this as a proper film so much as a piece of outstanding art.

Just look what a bunch of guys with computers created, this outstanding original beautiful believable world.

Its about what you choose to take out of these things.

[Halvor_H]

This was a film adaptation of the novel 300 by Frank Miller. Miller was actually an executive producer and consultant, and all the cool imagery we see in the film was achieved via bluescreen to try & match imagery of the original comic book. Combined with this one-of-a-kind hiSTORY of the 300...it at least made the movie unique. I thought there were a few smutty scenes but overall I got sucked in...and would recommend seeing it to anyone who doesn't mind battle violence and can handle a few quick sex scenes...oh yeah...and probably not a good idea for the younglings.

I must admit that the film was visually impressive. But that does not really matter if the dialogs are mediocre and the story is treated in a bad way. I've seen so many films that are visually good, but the problem with a lot of them is that many have nothing more to offer.

As I see it, the film was more about the comic-book than the ancient history of the 300 men of Sparta, especially if it tried match the imagery of the original comic book.

I mentioned briefly above what that was...but also financially...it's made BONGO bucks..

I hope you don't have that as the number one quality-criteria. ;)

but chalking it up to being like Quake & a piece of crap... I don't think does it justice.

About the “Quake” thing; I was actually struck by the similarities when I saw the slow-motion combat-scenes eagerly accompanied by the “heavy-metal” guitars. Of course, here it was all done by the swords and not the rocket-launcher or machine-gun, but the similarities were there nevertheless. And the scenes had, in my opinion, no meaning and no story. Everything was centered around the dwelling upon flying bothy-parts, blood and gore-galore. Of course, it was done very “artistically”, just in the manner of a expensive pc-game cinematic. As an element in a larger setting I would welcome it, but when it starts to be the films MAIN agenda, then it gets boring. Not scary or too violent for my soft heart, but frankly boring.

Another similarity with pc-games was the person-gallery in Xerxes army; Mutated beings that actually looked quite like the monsters in Wolfenstein, Doom 3 and Quake. If I was a Persian or Arab, I would be quite offended by all this. Xerxes was a human being and his regime probably less brutal than the
Spartan city-state.

This movie surrounds themes of valor, honor, preserving a way of life & glory...themes which resonate in me and I think it have done so for many others.


Valor and honor is of course old themes in the film-industry. If they shall endure as interesting themes in films, they have to be treated in an artistic manner, because it's all obviously about art. Or else I could just as well buy an academic book about the topics “valor” and “honor”.

I personally love historic movies. I have “Troy”, “Alexander”, “Kingdom of Heaven” and others on dvd and, despite all of them being too pompous and “titanic” for my liking (both musically and visually) , I watch them over and over again.

[Dean Krommydas]

I know this has gone quite far away from the musical discussion now...so I apologize for feeding this...I just need to respond to a couple more things...

Exactly Neo.

I dont treat this as a proper film so much as a piece of outstanding art.

Just look what a bunch of guys with computers created, this outstanding original beautiful believable world.

Its about what you choose to take out of these things.

Nicely put & I agree 110%!

@ Halvor:

First of all...nice to see you expand a bit beyond: "don't go see this crap movie!" ;) I knew there must have been more meat on that bone. :D

To the comment:

I hope you don't have that as the number one quality-criteria.

Obviously not.... I specifically mentioned how & why both the film and music resonates with me....as well as what the goals/purpose/vision of this movie were trying to achieve...and actually did achieve. In the process...it made LOADS OF MONEY which proves it to be a financial success...and that hundreds of thousands of people are going to see this film (in many cases more than once).

I see where you're coming from with the Quake thing...I get it. But as you acknowledged this time around...it was coming from an adaptation of a comic book.

Another similarity with pc-games was the person-gallery in Xerxes army; Mutated beings that actually looked quite like the monsters in Wolfenstein, Doom 3 and Quake. If I was a Persian or Arab, I would be quite offended by all this. Xerxes was a human being and his regime probably less brutal than the
Spartan city-state.

hmmmm...so I wonder who the orcs & other creatures resemble in the Lord of The Rings? Do you feel the orcs, goblins, trees, trolls, elves & hobbits should all be portrayed as human beings too just so we don't inadvertently offend anyone? BAH...anyway...let's try and spare the political correctness bologni....just like many stories being told...you have the good guys and the bad guys and they are portrayed in certain artistic ways (which to repeat... the 300 was adapted from the comic book art & also took place at a completely different time period historically).

If you wanna go there...just look at the history back then & what the Persians were doing. They were invading another group of human beings' country & forcing them to submit to their authority...anyone resisting would die. Awwwwe...poor Xerxes the wonderful human being who actually didn't even think of himself as a human being... he thought himself on the level of a God & demanded to be worshipped as one. By the Greek human beings resisting... they ended the Greco-Persian War and the expansion of the Persian Empire into Europe who would have continued to kill other human beings not willing to submit or worship Xerxes. I'm glad the Greek human beings resisted!


I personally love historic movies. I have “Troy”, “Alexander”, “Kingdom of Heaven” and others on dvd and, despite all of them being too pompous and “titanic” for my liking (both musically and visually) , I watch them over and over again.

Well that's good...but I was happy to see the completely different artistic approach taken in the filming of this movie. I'm glad it wasn't at all like Troy, Alexander & Kingdom of Heaven... I think that this too may be why it has done better than ANY of those films at the box office (and no...that's not the only criteria :p)

[chocothrax]

As a film I found 300 to be pretty boring.

[Halvor_H]

About the relevance of this discussion:

First of all, I was just wondering if anyone liked the score, or even the movie itself?


hmmmm...so I wonder who the orcs & other creatures resemble in the Lord of The Rings? Do you feel the orcs, goblins, trees, trolls, elves & hobbits should all be portrayed as human beings too just so we don't inadvertently offend anyone? “


Yes, good old Lord of The Rings. I would neither join the the hordes of worshipers of those films by the way. Probably the only one in the world.

But if I remember correctly, LOTHR was three books based on pure fiction, and not related to actual events like the battle of Thermopylae. I see the mythical approach of the filmmakers, after all the ancient storytelling is know for its exaggerations, but I really mean it's too of it in this film.

Why? Because of the approach. There is so much focus on the details of the battle itself, you come to expect a somewhat more concrete approach to the historical events as well. And who really wants 2 hours of bloodbath as the entertainment for the evening? Not I, that's for sure!

About political correctness; I don't care too much if it's political or not, what I care about is a certain decency in the treatment of themes, in this case the battle with Xerxes.


poor Xerxes the wonderful human being who actually didn't even think of himself as a human being... he thought himself on the level of a God & demanded to be worshiped as one. By the Greek human beings resisting... they ended the Greco-Persian War and the expansion of the Persian Empire into Europe who would have continued to kill other human beings not willing to submit or worship Xerxes. I'm glad the Greek human beings resisted!

A really original guy, Xerxes. He had that only in common with a bunch of Pharaohs, Roman emperors, Chinese emperors and European kings during the time of history.


just like many stories being told...you have the good guys and the bad guys

Hmmm....slightly dangerous for historical material.

[Dean Krommydas]

Relevance back at ya:

Sorry I'm not sticking to the topic here, but I saw the film yesterday, and have to warn other who haven't NOT to buy a ticket for this one. Largest peace of crap I've seen for some time... A person-gallery from taken from “Quake” and mixed with history from ancient Greece ...no-no!

Not sticking to topic based on your own words and the change of direction is obviously from the preceding posts. lol!! Dude... you are absolutely ridiculous...stop trying to nit pick. I was responding to you.

I see the mythical approach of the filmmakers, after all the ancient storytelling is know for its exaggerations, but I really mean it's too of it in this film.

As long as you see it...hip hip hooray!! I disagree with that there is too much of it but fair enough.

But if I remember correctly, LOTHR was three books based on pure fiction, and not related to actual events like the battle of Thermopylae.

I guess you don't remember correctly..or if I had to guess more accurately...you just don't know. With regards to history...open your eyes a little...historical events that Tolkien participated in are what undoubtedly shaped the writing of the LOTR:

Tolkien fought in the Battle of the Somme...this is one of the most brutal battles known in history where over a million people were killed or wounded. He started writing during WWI about all the horrors & camaraderie he had/continued to witness. Tolkien clearly admits that his writing could never be wholly unaffected by his experiences. So...orcs are the bad guys or enemy...and you can make whatever other associations you want or don't want to.

what I care about is a certain decency in the treatment of themes, in this case the battle with Xerxes. &

.....Hmmm....slightly dangerous for historical material

Well the director didn't make Xerxes look like a beast now did he? (Not sure I would have cared if he was depcited as a beast though). He gave him royal attire and depicted him as a god just as Xerxes thought he was! Just when I think you got the point I realize...you still miss it. This is great movie material for a story to be told in any which way a director chooses. Heros vs. villains...good guys vs. bad. End of story. It's not dangerous at all...it's common practice.

To repeat..I've seen better films...but I still liked it.

I think we've exhausted this enough now..don't you? :confused: I'm tired :o

[Halvor_H]

I expressed my honest opinion about a movie, now this is what I get for disagreeing:

Please, if you dont have anything worthwhile saying, just shut up.

Dude... you are absolutely ridiculous...

Speaking of being ridiculous... neo

[Jamtheguitarman]

I expressed my honest opinion about a movie, now this is what I get for disagreeing:





Speaking of being ridiculous... neo


now if instead of your first post in this thread you had posted the longer detailed one which actually gives your opinion some merit, then i wouldn't have said anything.

[Dean Krommydas]

Awe poor poor Xerxes...I mean Halvor. :p An unfortunate victim of circumstance. My comment had nothing to do with your opinion being ridiculous. You have an interesting way of trying to take things out of context.

[Halvor_H]

You have an interesting way of trying to take things out of context.

Enlighten me, please.....

[Nathan Allen Pinard]

Hmm...this is what I get for not browsing the forums for a week.

My interview was just a test, it wasn't expert opinion. I'd like to think that I do have some good insight on what makes a good score. Most of your comments I appreciate.

When it comes to the "note for note" quote and the "omg this isn't orignal" thing I see weekly. You can't expect every piece of music out there to be original. Music takes time to evolve.

Also, you can't compare this score to gladiator expect for just a few parts. Tyler Bates doesn't have the same style as zimmer imo.

I did say most of it could've been virtual, and I was wrong after reading some of the notes online. However, some of the less invested tracks in the movie had quite a few virtual instruments.

When it comes to the movie. Halvor, you stated your opinon at first, which is no problem. But it wasn't in the most constructive way.

Frank Miller is lucky. This film actually wasn't going to be made. Zack Snyder had to push Frank Miller to allow him to make it. And frank was very hostile at first because of what the picture companies did with Robocop.

I think today 300 is being bashed more than any movie by critics, simply because they were super suprised that is even made that much money.

They constantly try to find some polictical incorrect meaning to discredit it. Stop analyazing the damned movie, the director just wanted to make a "cool movie"

There is also the case of this movie being "homo erotic" well I have news for you. This movie wasn't made for men, it was made for women...

Gerard Butler has had a huge following for years in various small films (Phantom of the Opera, Dear Frankie, etc) and I can guarantee you the sucess of this film was owned to women more than men. I know women that have seen the movie 8 times.

[Halvor_H]

Halvor, you stated your opinon at first, which is no problem. But it wasn't in the most constructive way.



I agree.:o

[chocothrax]

I think today 300 is being bashed more than any movie by critics, simply because they were super suprised that is even made that much money.


I don't see how anyone could be surprised that it made a lot of money. I knew it was going to make a crapload the first time I saw the trailer. There are various films out right now that have worse reviews than 300. It's not a terrible film, just mediocre.