Esession

[•peru•]

I've been cruising online studio pictures to check out a variety of acoustic designs for an upcoming project and while poking around over at Gina Fant-Saez's Blue World Music (http://www.blueworldmusic.com/) I read how her work in the studio has taken a backseat to a travel schedule promoting e-session.

http://www.esession.com/ - there are 2 videos on that site that give a comprehensive overview of "One Planet / One Studio".

There are some amazing musicians on this forum who definitely have the chops to participate with the "world class talent" who've already signed on. It's pretty swell how Neil and Cecgwen have been working together for 2 years although they have never met face-to-face....beautiful. Really sweet. But, that chance encounter reminds me of a scene from Ever After:

Prince: "Is everything just chance or are some things meant to be?"

Leonardo da Vinci: "You cannot leave everything to fate, boy. She's got a lot to do and sometimes you've got to give her a helping hand."

(1 yr old article) - http://mixonline.com/ar/audio_gina_fantsaez/

Web-based recording sure ain't a new thing, but it's being refined all the time and Gina (and her team) have made that threshold a little more user-friendly.

[nikolas]

Interesting...

Not that it would apply to me, but indeed interesting.

I wonder if one can use their sample libraries to do session work. My guess is... no ;)

[•peru•]

In the Keyboard section under eTalent, some of the musician's outboard gear is described as: Vienna, Spectrasonics, Access Virus C, Nord Moog, Roland, Colossus, Gold, East West Choirs, Stylus RMX, Trilogy, Mach 5, Garritan Personal Orchestra, Ivory, Atmosphere, Logic Pro, Guitar Rig, Virus Indigo, NI Kontakt, etc - and comments such as ..."tons" ..."too many to mention."

[nikolas]

since you are new here,

There has been a huge discussion about the idea of rendering other peoples music with your own libraries, and the final answer from EW (and actually other libraries which I checked) was no. If one wanst to use an instrument from RA, for example, he should buy RA, and not have a friend render it for him.

So from the legal point of view, I'm sorry to say, but Ican't use EW products there. Of course I don't know for pianoteq, or Ivory for example, but...

[•peru•]

Thanks Nikolas. I used to post under the name peru (aka sugar hari) but my rolodex with passwords has been spirited away (to Bekins mobile storage units) thus the dots and post #1 - but, visit more than participate; still wet-behind-the-ears freshman to the orchestral scene. As I've been traveling, a pal mentioned the new Play player so I thought to reconnect for the education.

I understand now - none of the sample-based libraries can be used on a project for anyone else. So, Hal Winer from Bicoastal Music in New York cannot hire a Quantum Leap RA ehru player who lives in Bakersfield, CA. - got it. He would have to purchase the library himself.

Thanks for the legal POV. When I couldn't log back in to respond I guessed I was banned for my mistake. wheh, it gave me the NS willies.

On the table: A recent reply from an eSessions admin stated that they are working on "an idea to allow users to sell their own content directly from their profile." Now, that would be cool.

[•peru•]

ok, just to clarify the understanding -a musician could showcase his/her talent with their legally puchased sample libraries in their audio portfolio - but they would be prohibited from uploading a track onto a team project via eSessions using that library.

It's just that public file sharing between composers, engineers and musicians in a world full of (as Paul Hawkens puts it) Blessed Unrest is an awesome and unifying vision. May the dream take flight!

oh yeah ...(From the MixOnline article) - "eSessionIndie.com will be for players who may not have the 15 major-label credits required to be part of eSession.com, but who have the talent and experience working on various indie-label projects. So clients on a tighter budget can perhaps hire guys for less than they might be on eSession.com.

eSessionLite would be for the amateur market. Anybody will be able sign up, and it will be subscription-based."

[Kaatza_Music]

Hey, the whole idea of collaboration on a global scale appeals to me and I think that it is inevitable as the globe is getting smaller and smaller. But as far as sample libraries go, they are legally owned by the producer and we are only granted very specific licenses on how we are allowed to use them. To stray from that is not only wrong but illegal and the owner of the library can and probably will sue you.

Having said that, I can't see why you couldn't supply the music to a collaboration using your libraries provided that you are not just giving away the raw samples or articulations but are actually making a "musical" contribution. Any comments from Doug or the Moderators?

Sounds interesting so I will check the site out.

The Katz

[nickysnd]

What exactly is this all about? First, I don't really understand what are those "esessions"? Please do provide a detailed description of the task(s) and their purpose(s). Second, what precisely is a "collaborator" supposed to do? To compose? To compose what exactly? And what for? Is the "collaborator" supposed to perform? To perform who's compositions, and, again, what for? For fun? Is that a sort of a "let's jam" college thing or what exactly is it?

Peru - forget the fairytales with princes and leonardos and please come up with some down to earth reasons that would make a composer, a midi arranger or a keyboardist participate to an "esession." For fun, for pleasure, for experience, for possible opportunities - that sort of things don't cut here, so you'll better come up with some serious reasons.

[nikolas]

Nicky,

Peru provided links which are quite clear on what happens really. I don't see anything missing from the links provided, or why hsould peru come and post a whole website and a video of 5+ minutes here when the website has it all ;)

Indeed, if WE are composing the music, of the piano arrangmenet, or the strings on the back, then this makes much sense, and I would certainly assume that it is different case thawn the one discussed.

Doug? Nick? Someone else? (time for a PM I believe)...

A session musicians, doesn't always play what he's told, period, he can also "arrange" things differnetly, so he does compose in a way.

*remains waiting and hanging*

[•peru•]

What exactly is this all about? First, I don't really understand what are those "esessions"? Please do provide a detailed description of the task(s) and their purpose(s). Second, what precisely is a "collaborator" supposed to do? To compose? To compose what exactly? And what for? Is the "collaborator" supposed to perform? To perform who's compositions, and, again, what for? For fun? Is that a sort of a "let's jam" college thing or what exactly is it?

Peru - forget the fairytales with princes and leonardos and please come up with some down to earth reasons that would make a composer, a midi arranger or a keyboardist participate to an "esession." For fun, for pleasure, for experience, for possible opportunities - that sort of things don't cut here, so you'll better come up with some serious reasons.


Hi, nickysnd. Gina (the CEO) explains the system 100% better than I ever could. She's provided 2 videos about eSession on the website. And the website itself is interactive and interesting to explore.

From the little I've learned today - this is a multifaceted music file-sharing system that just went beta a few weeks ago. Currently, the "eTalent" part of the database highlights renowned and established writers, producers, musicians, engineers and mixers. That makes complete sense - to first and foremost build a solid foundation with the pros. eMembers (semi-pro?) might not be listed with the "big guns" who have achieved (at least) 15 verifiable major label credits - but, hey - word gets out about talent and standings in the community change. I think there are rules governing that distinction.

Registration is free. They don’t charge membership fees, but do make a profit when someone hires talent, or additional space is needed (not clear on that) and a percentage from the negotiated fee. So, a work request (which I understand to be an audition) is sent, and the two parties negotiate the fee. eSessions steers clear of the negotiation process (which is totally respectful) except to provide a secure location and claim the %. It's a double interview - a place to evaluate the music, the time requirement needed, exactly what the project involves. The accept or decline phase. The talent keeps a portion of the fee even if he declines. eSessions pockets the rest of that small fee.

People move files to something called a song page. Everyone on the team has access to those tracks.

One can drag 'n drop whole sessions and there's 24/7 secure storage, access and support. If that MixOnline article has not expired, they'll also be launching an eIndiesessions site and eSessionsLite for participants who've not yet arrived at the 'renowned' phase of their career.

As a composer, why wouldn't someone hire you? You write music, you're a symphonist I'm guessing. So, this is a professional occupation and people will hear your work. And truly, I can’t come up with one serious reason that would be more important than fun, pleasure, experience and the opportunities to work jointly on a project with others to create music.

Look, I'll forget the fairy tale and Leonardo, but the Prince is coming with me.

'night ...er, morning.
peru

[nickysnd]

And truly, I can’t come up with one serious reason that would be more important than fun, pleasure, experience and the opportunities to work jointly on a project with others to create music
Then I guess that you are doing this advertising for one of those four serious reasons above... :rolleyes:

[•peru•]

nickysnd, the initial post was in the spirit of sharing a brilliant concept, not of drawing attention in order to promote sales or attendance. I just think it's pretty neat that people can work together to make music without the limitations of time, distance and unnecessary expense.

Let's conclude this exchange and let things be.

kind regards, peru

[JCL]

peru, Sent you a PM. Regards, and welcome back!