Newcomer needs advice

[The Idiot]

Hello Everybody,

Im fairly new to the software world, not very experienced but extremely determined, though a bit slow .. Im an Idiot, but I ain't stupid!

I have invested in quite a few libraries so far, but what I dont understand is how you guys produce full symphonic pieces in such a short amount of time if, - as I understand it - at the moment you all have to bounce individual tracks and edit them individually.

Please help me with this: I have written a huge prchestral piece with sibelius, imported it into cubase but my joy of finishing the piece (written score) has now turned into desperation!:(
If you cant play all EWQLSO Platinum tracks at once, how can you judge around MIDI editing if you cant hear your track in that moment together with the other ones?

To make my life easier, I have also decided to use eventual different articulations and keyswitches in, say the first violins, on a different track. Anybody else doing this or do you normally use different articulations within the same track assigning notes to a particular channel?

Thanks for this and please do spare some little knowledge!
Cheers,

[Dean]

as I understand it - at the moment you all have to bounce individual tracks and edit them individually.

Please help me with this: I have written a huge prchestral piece with sibelius, imported it into cubase but my joy of finishing the piece (written score) has now turned into desperation!:(
If you cant play all EWQLSO Platinum tracks at once, how can you judge around MIDI editing if you cant hear your track in that moment together with the other ones?

To make my life easier, I have also decided to use eventual different articulations and keyswitches in, say the first violins, on a different track. Anybody else doing this or do you normally use different articulations within the same track assigning notes to a particular channel?

Thanks for this and please do spare some little knowledge!
Cheers,

Hi,
No,you dont have to bounce individual tracks,...thats probably the most difficult and time consuming method possible,..especially for an orchestral cue.

You CAN play all the tracks at once if everything is set-up properly,

See if this link helps and you shold also start a new thread about using Platinum with Cu-base.
http://support.soundsonline.com/faq/index.php?action=artikel&cat=4&id=86&artlang=en

I dont use Cu-base but I use Platinum in Protools,playing 64 - 80 tracks,I'm sure Cu-base can do the same.(Of course alot depends on your computer specs like RAM/CPU etc.)
Goodluck,
Dean.

[The Idiot]

Thanks for that Dean,

Just one thing, what is your gear, just to know?
Thank you

[Dean]

Hi,it would help if you included details of your entire set-up,otherwise its diffecult to help.

could someone with Cu-base help this guy out,I'm not familiar with Cu-Basa at all.

[The Idiot]

Thanks people,

1.73 Ghz 2 Gb RAM, Cubase SX3

Thanks for any tips regarding DFD, latency, buffer etc....

[XGener8or]

Just a quick note, you are not loading multiple instances of Platinum are you? One guy was loading a new instance for each instrument, he didn't notice you can put 8 in one instance.

[kstevege]

Hello Everybody,

Im fairly new to the software world, not very experienced but extremely determined, though a bit slow .. Im an Idiot, but I ain't stupid!

I have invested in quite a few libraries so far, but what I dont understand is how you guys produce full symphonic pieces in such a short amount of time if, - as I understand it - at the moment you all have to bounce individual tracks and edit them individually.

Please help me with this: I have written a huge prchestral piece with sibelius, imported it into cubase but my joy of finishing the piece (written score) has now turned into desperation!:(
If you cant play all EWQLSO Platinum tracks at once, how can you judge around MIDI editing if you cant hear your track in that moment together with the other ones?

To make my life easier, I have also decided to use eventual different articulations and keyswitches in, say the first violins, on a different track. Anybody else doing this or do you normally use different articulations within the same track assigning notes to a particular channel?

Thanks for this and please do spare some little knowledge!
Cheers,


With respect to articulations, I use Kontakt 2 and create a separate instrument bank for every section of the orchestra. Each instrument bank has it own midi channel routed to the Kontakt 2VST track. In the instrument bank I load up 5 or 6 articulations (I can load more if I want to) which are keyswitched using the Transformer function (midi insert) on my midi track (Thanks to Hoketus for this tip). Thus each orchestra section has just one track (except for percussion) with my editable custom keyswtiched articulations all in just one instance of Kontakt!! Whan I am ready to start mixing down, I route each instrument bank in Kontakt to its own audio output in Kontakt with its corresponding Cubase VST output. TO this date I have not had to bounce my orchestral compositions (Gold Pro XP) to audio for mixing thus I am able to maintain full control over my midi editing right down to export. There is some debate over whether it is better to mix using midi automation (eg cc11, cc7, etc) versus VST audio automation versus bouncing down to audio and then mixing. Hope this helps.

[LEX]

With respect to articulations, I use Kontakt 2 and create a separate instrument bank for every section of the orchestra. Each instrument bank has it own midi channel routed to the Kontakt 2VST track. In the instrument bank I load up 5 or 6 articulations (I can load more if I want to) which are keyswitched using the Transformer function (midi insert) on my midi track (Thanks to Hoketus for this tip). Thus each orchestra section has just one track (except for percussion) with keyswtiched articulations all in just one instance of Kontakt!! Whan I am ready to start mixing down, I route each instrument bank in Kontakt to its own audio output in Kontakt with its corresponding Cubase VST output. TO this date I have not had to bounce my orchestral compositions (Gold Pro XP) to audio for mixing thus I am able to maintain full control over my midi editing right down to export. There is some debate over whether it is better to mix using midi automation (eg cc11, cc7, etc) versus VST audio automation versus bouncing down to audio and then mixing. Hope this helps.

This is what I do, but there is a better way. The problem is using the midi insert.

You should use the input transformer on the midi channel instead.

Basically what is happening is that, rather than keyswitching instruments, banks respond to program change.

You can edit and change the individual instruments without having to go into the keyswitch which contains all the samples.

But, using the input transformer instead of the midi insert will be that the program change will follow.

In other words, unlike KS, when you roll back 4 bars into a KS change, (like bar 90 changes to pizz, and at bar 80 you are a sus patch, and roll back to bar 85)the program change will trigger the sus patch rather than staying pizz.

I have close to 12 on every patch. Long and shorts, FX and expressive all on separate channels.

Since I mostly run slaves, I have each instrument section, and solos on their own audio channel. Which ends up at 80 channels.
I record those 80 channels at one time, once the composition is done.
Any updates, I can just punch.

Use the Input Transformer on the midi channel. Not the Midi insert.

LEX

[kstevege]

But, using the input transformer instead of the midi insert will be that the program change will follow.

In other words, unlike KS, when you roll back 4 bars into a KS change, (like bar 90 changes to pizz, and at bar 80 you are a sus patch, and roll back to bar 85)the program change will trigger the sus patch rather than staying pizz.

I have close to 12 on every patch. Long and shorts, FX and expressive all on separate channels.


Use the Input Transformer on the midi channel. Not the Midi insert.

LEX


Hi LEX

Cool info thanks!

When using the transformer in the midi insert, every time I stopped in between program changes Cubase was not "looking back" for the prior program change. That was a pain! So are you sayong that by putting the input transformer on the channel itself (instead of in the midi insert) Cubase will remember the program change in the middle of each phrase?

I am using the input transformer to make K2 instrumant bank program changes using the bottom keys on my keyboard controller. Is that what you are doing also?

[LEX]

Hi LEX

Cool info thanks!

When using the transformer in the midi insert, every time I stopped in between program changes Cubase was not "looking back" for the prior program change. That was a pain! So are you sayong that by putting the input transformer on the channel itself (instead of in the midi insert) Cubase will remember the program change in the middle of each phrase?

I am using the input transformer to make K2 instrumant bank program changes using the bottom keys on my keyboard controller. Is that what you are doing also?

Yes, that is what I am doing.

But with the midi insert, it won't follow program change. There is a midi preference that needs to be ticked.

LEX

[kstevege]

Yes, that is what I am doing.

But with the midi insert, it won't follow program change. There is a midi preference that needs to be ticked.

LEX



Hi LEX

When the transformer in the midi insert and I play back my composition it still automates the program changes in K2.

I am still trying to understand what the difference is between using the Transformer in the midi channel versus using it as a midi insert!

[LEX]

Hi LEX

When the transformer in the midi insert and I play back my composition it still automates the program changes in K2.

I am still trying to understand what the difference is between using the Transformer in the midi channel versus using it as a midi insert!

I am trying to remember why, but can't at the moment. It might have to do with where the transform happens.

On the input transformer is better, but I'll have to try to remember.

LEX

[LEX]

Okay, I remember.

Yes, it will change the midi programs when you play.

But what I am talking about is this.

At bar 1 to bar 4, you are using Vln sus. At bar 5, you change to Vln pizz.
Now you located to bar 4, and it is still Vln Pizz, much like the way KS work.

Midi insert transforms the midi output, not the midi input.
That is why you want it on the transform, not the insert.

That was the problem I originally had. When I changed to the input transformer, if I rolled back into (not before) a program change, it would change to the previous instrument even though I was at a bar before the program change.

What was frustrating about KS was that, much like the insert was I always had to go back to before the program change or KS note.

With this, I don't.

LEX