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Old 06-16-2008, 02:19 PM
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Default How to use Keyswitch on 66 Keyboard controler?

I have a yamaha PSR 3000 workstation. It is only 66 keys. In most of the keyswitches of EWQL libraries, there is keyswitches, that cannot be trigger because they are mapped on certain keys.
Is there a way for me to manually, using kontakt 3 as my sampler or any other way, move those keyswitch maps up so i can trigger all of them ?

Thing is, there will be a keyswitch that is mapped very far left, but then the actual instruments has lots of empty key room to the right that is not even used the instrument itself ?

Is there a way, or i am doomed if I don't own an full 88 key controller ?

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Transposition track?
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Old 06-16-2008, 02:46 PM
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Transposing does not work. There must be another solution than getting rid of a $2500 66 key synth workstation as my controller, and buying a 88 key controller.

Any other advise ?
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Hey Musicpulse,

In the stand alone player, you can adjust the transposition near the pitch / mod wheels to access the key-switches, but there isn't a way to move them to a different part of the keyboard without also transposing the instrument ranges too. In a sequencer key-switch changes can input manually.
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As technology advances so do the requirements to use that technology. Software like Play now contain numerous key switches and 'sounds' combinations which sometimes can only be accessed completely at one time by keyboards that have a minimum of at least 76 keys. And East West are certainly not the only company with products often requiring 76 keys or more. Sometimes 'patches' can be transposed, but even then, with 76 keys you may cut off a few voices on the top. So in your case, at some point you may indeed wish to consider a 76 or 88 note keyboard, and perhaps use your current board for something else. IMHO, definitely something all of us should consider now when they find it's time to buy or replace.
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Why not simply insert the keyswitch note into your midi track for that instrument? I'd assume most or all sequencers will allow you to manually type in a note at a certain location.

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Why not simply insert the keyswitch note into your midi track for that instrument? I'd assume most or all sequencers will allow you to manually type in a note at a certain location.

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I guess that wouldn't work if you want to play in live and use key switches.

My problem is that I don't have room for a large (i.e., long keyboard)... I wonder if there are ways to map your QWERTY keyboard and abuse it for the purpose of key switching?
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Make use of a cheaper second keyboard or midi controller like korg microcontrol.
The cheaper board has to be able to transpose octave + or - 3 a 4 octaves.

Connect your keyboard and the cheaper one with the help of a midisolutions midi mereger to the rest of your equipment.

Transpose the second cheaper keyboard as many octaves as needed , so the keyswitches become available, on the litlle board

You will not be able to use all keyswitches of all east west libraries.

However the best option is you make use of a second 37 tones keyboard. Some east west libraries have more key switches as a 25 tones little keyboard can handle.

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I'm not sure if it has been mentioned before, but it sounds like there is the need for a small and cheap little MIDI keyswitch box, that can be clipped onto the keyboard. It could have say 3 rows of 12 buttons, with labels over each of them so that you can write in the articulations available. I don't know about other people, but I am always forgetting which key does what, and it would be nice to have all that information above each button.
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Yes! Even on my 76 controller I find that many of the key switches are too low. What I have to do (on my Triton) is x-pose the whole keyboard down (using the SW1 button) That works fine but then I lose the top octave. I have to keep switching my octave button back and forth to get those high notes unless I just don't use them live or end up sticking with one keyswitch (what loading the individual elements are for in PLAY) SO, after reading that last post "...map your QWERTY keyboard.." It reminded me that in LOGIC if you have the caps lock on then that's exactly what you use-but not just the QWERTY keys. It's set up like a piano and use the number keys to TRANSPOSE. This transposition doesn't effect my controller so I can transpose my computer keyboard and use those keys for the keyswitches while using my right hand on the controller to play live. After about 2 minutes (using Ministry of Rock) I got the technique down. Not that familier with other software (DP, Sonar, etc.) but if they have that feature then it would help. Granted- one day I WILL get an 88-key controller-it's the best answer- but for now...
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