The Dark Knight Rises OST

[pkm]

You can't go wrong writing in the same key as "Lick My Love Pump"

[Jason.M.Watts]

No, I don't know that to be a fact, but some recent comments by Zimmer himself seem to indicate that Howard had gotten booked up. I'll see if I can locate those quotes.

Until Howard, Zimmer, Nolan, or someone involved directly answers the question, we probably won't know with any certainty.

I tend to think truth lies somewhere in the middle. Maybe Howard opted for solo work simply because it was available. Some would argue that he was a third-wheel in the creation of the past two scores, but I would hesitate to imply there were any hard feelings or collaborative problems, ego battles, etc.

I agree with the "I don't care" sentiment. It is what it is. Howard is a good composer, but I certainly don't think it was necessary for him to be involved just because he was with the other two.

@Jeff: I also agree with your rebuttals to the criticisms of Zimmer's work. Anymore it seems critics love tearing down composers. I can't count how many times I've read and heard these same arguments about Williams, Elfman, Horner, and basically every composer working in mainstream Hollywood. It's always the same: Too intrusive, takes me out of the film, too repetitive, etc. Scores are always too musically complex, and are intrusive (Williams), or too basic and repetitive (Zimmer). So which do these critics want? It seems to me they tend to want whatever is the opposite of what we got, and there is little consistency in what they complain about. A lot of critics are happy just to tear someone's work apart, and judge it for what they want it to be rather than what it is.

Jason Watts

[Inductance]

Hans Zimmer discusses working on Nolan's Batman series. Good article...

http://www.empireonline.com/intervie...w.asp?IID=1532

[Ethanfox]

I find the whole "I don't care" attitude really odd on a site full of people who seem to care very much about the workings of not just film music but the film music industry...

This was a very unusual pairing, yes, Zimmer collaborates often, but with his own team, bringing JNH in was a big surprise (to me at least) and those two soundtracks they did were very popular as were the films - I'm surprised people aren't more interested in why the pairing ended...

But maybe I'm just seeing serious Zimmer love here which is why people don't care, because as long as he is on, you are happy? Fair enough.

[Jason.M.Watts]

Not at all. I am a fan of Howard's as well. In fact his score to "The Lady in the Water" is one of my all-time favorites. I'm just not going to stress out over why he wasn't involved. Like I said, it is what it is.

The "I don't care" has nothing to do with anyone's interest in film music, or lack of. Howard will continue to do good work, as will Zimmer. But what's the point in worrying about why Howard wasn't involved with TDKR?

Sure, I'm mildly interested to know why things worked out the way they did, but I think you're suggesting there were creative differences, ego conflicts, etc., and I just don't think that's the case here.

I'm more concerned with whether I'll enjoy the movie and the score as they are.

As far as Zimmer is concerned, I am a fan, but not a hardcore one. But you seem to suggest we should all be upset about the lack of Howard's involvement. The movie is finished, and it's out there.

Again, it seems that some people want to stress over what this film ISN'T rather than what it is.

Jason Watts

[Ethanfox]

Originally Posted by Jason.M.Watts

Not at all. I am a fan of Howard's as well. In fact his score to "The Lady in the Water" is one of my all-time favorites. I'm just not going to stress out over why he wasn't involved. Like I said, it is what it is.

The "I don't care" has nothing to do with anyone's interest in film music, or lack of. Howard will continue to do good work, as will Zimmer. But what's the point in worrying about why Howard wasn't involved with TDKR?

Sure, I'm mildly interested to know why things worked out the way they did, but I think you're suggesting there were creative differences, ego conflicts, etc., and I just don't think that's the case here.

I'm more concerned with whether I'll enjoy the movie and the score as they are.

As far as Zimmer is concerned, I am a fan, but not a hardcore one. But you seem to suggest we should all be upset about the lack of Howard's involvement. The movie is finished, and it's out there.

Again, it seems that some people want to stress over what this film ISN'T rather than what it is.

Jason Watts

This is one of the issues with the internet, you are filling in an awful lot of blanks there!

I'm not implying anything and I'm certainly not stressed nor saying anyone else should be...

I made the mistake of thinking people might have an interesting opinion about this decision and how it might effect the film but I was clearly wrong. That's cool.

[Jason.M.Watts]

Originally Posted by Ethanfox

I find the whole "I don't care" attitude really odd on a site full of people who seem to care very much about the workings of not just film music but the film music industry...

This was a very unusual pairing, yes, Zimmer collaborates often, but with his own team, bringing JNH in was a big surprise (to me at least) and those two soundtracks they did were very popular as were the films - I'm surprised people aren't more interested in why the pairing ended...

But maybe I'm just seeing serious Zimmer love here which is why people don't care, because as long as he is on, you are happy? Fair enough.

Ok, I think we've gotten off on the wrong foot here.

Honestly, your words came across as very condescending. You call us "people who seem to care..." Condescending.

You say we aren't interested, or wonder why more of us aren't. Who knows? If we're here discussing this, don't you think we're interested? But there are no conclusive answers to your question, and if you re-read what I've posted before, I'm sure you'll find that I separate conjecture from what I've read, and both from reality, or what might be the real reason, "the pairing ended" as you put it.

When you say "the pairing ended" you make it sound as though it were guaranteed from the start that Howard would be involved. This has always been Zimmer's baby primarily. It seems as though you've made them a couple, when that's not the case. I think the words "the pairing ended" don't work. The pairing never happened on this film to begin with. When you word things that way, it sounds like you're implying that there were problems between the two of them.

Yes, this is a problem with the internet. Sometimes we read things and take away from them something far from what was intended. If I offended you in any way at all, it was not my intention to do so, and you have my apologies. But please don't brush the rest of us off, or judge us as being dis-interested. When I made reference to the "I don't care" attitude, I was simply implying that I am not concerned about Howard's absence. It doesn't mean I'm unwilling to discuss it, or am not interested in the over-all reasoning behind it.

[Jeff Hayat]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hayat

Don't know which is true, but honstly, I really don't care.

Originally Posted by Ethanfox

I find the whole "I don't care" attitude really odd on a site full of people who seem to care very much about the workings of not just film music but the film music industry...

You find it odd that I don't care if a) Howard couldn't do it b/c of prior obligations, or b) he felt like he would be a third wheel? You find that odd? So - you are saying...what, exactly? That I should care? Why?

[peter5992]

Just saw it in IMAX, and it is solid entertainment.

Interesting character development, stunning effects. Ann Hathaway totally kicks ass in every sense of the word.

My only gripe is that at some points the storyline gets a little bit too far out, and I felt I needed a little map to keep me straight as to who was good / bad / both and what each person's background was. You might want to take a notebook when you go the theater.

Music by Hans Zimmer is 3 hours of HA HA ha ha HA HA ha ha HA HA ha ha in D minor, with a few notable exceptions.

[Ethanfox]

Hey Jason and Jeff,

If we were all in a pub, we could have a spirited chat about this subject and laugh it all away at the end, but over the internet though, it takes a ot of time and turns messy quickly... So I shall simply say that Jason, if you felt I was condescending, I apologise, wasn't meant to...
Jeff, you should care about whatever you want whenever you want regardless of anything.

Laters,