Star Wars the rebel fleet end title from John Williams

[Jack J C Peeters]

Sorry for the earlier post but I don't know how to delete it.

Here the link to the music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kuhcz7P_R6s
And with video impression https://www.facebook.com/CubaseCpr?ref=hl

Hopefully it works fine know.

Best.

[IMPGermany]

Nice Idea,

but i think it could give a better sound, in my ears some articulations where not the right to choose. It just sounds to much out of pc, but i think it was a great study for you, right?

Altough i think its a little to much reverb on it. You had a lot of fun doing this, right?

Wichs libs you used?

best regards,

[Jack J C Peeters]

Just Platinum Plus

[TGV]

I also thought the sound was a bit disappointing, considering you claim to teach others how to make good sounding tracks. The mix is on on the muddy side, the dynamics seem a bit weird (thundering pizzicatos, bright brass that still sounds soft), the string legatos are synthy, and some of the articulations are wrong.

[Jack J C Peeters]

Aha,

Yes, it's a computer. Synthy? Make it our own I say.
No, don't want to sound it like the 70's. I even have the sounds for that.

Reverb, yes. When it's in your living room played, you won't get any reverb. Imagen a church or more?
That are personal matters.

Thundering pizzicatos, That's nice. Bright Brass It's platinum though! It 's not beatifical.
I made it for the new and semi professionals composers and everything is editable.
Which articulations are wrong?? Tell me.

[Jason.M.Watts]

It obviously took some time and attention to detail. I do agree it could sound more humanized, but I also realize that maybe you were going for a demo-only sound, rather than trying to fool everyone into believing it to be a real recording. I always enjoy hearing mock-ups of pre-existing scores, partially because I have little or no time at all to work on any myself.

One thing: When did they start calling oboes "hobos"?

Jason Watts

[kstevege]

Way too synthy and mechanical. I would propose this as a "what not to do" mixing video. Sounds like music for video consoles back in 90's when midi was used with cheesy samples before CDs were used to store actual soundtrack bites in game data,

[Jack J C Peeters]

Hello,

What I don't understand is that I have 325 views. Don't know for sure that they have listen all to this. Probably not or has no meaning.
I've got 4 opinions from new, platinum, gold and slver members. Yes, it's John Williams(one of the greatest film composers) and it was never my intention to sound it like the recordings in the 1970. Still I think that it is for beginning students not that bad as some say here.

See it like this: When I want to study the piano I will go to a music school.
There, they teach you the skills of the beginnings. After severall years of studying you can decide if you want to a Conservatorium (as we call it here, probably you call it Music High School?)
When you finished 5 years of studying you can decide to study by a private teacher in Paris, London, New York, etc. and become a pro in your profession.

My way of looking to it, that this piece is the beginning of the music school in composing with DAW. Shurly you have known the knowledge in reading notes and have some skills in playing the piano(keyboard, e.Piano).
Mixing, as they thought me, it's a personal matter even mastering. There are no specific rules in doing this 'cause then, every music would sound the same.

Synthy, Mechanical! Lett me hear something that is made in Platinum Plus with the same quantity of this greath composition from Mr. Williams?
Not an adagio piece but something that can measure.

I didn't have an answer so far for the articulations! When people wright something, account(ed) it.
I've changed some articulations in the staccato range(for example) 'cause it's still MIDI, and have to make compromises based on writin ideas and feel limited with the technology ( lack of articulations, instruments not sounding as I wish or because of options I feel they are missing in EWQLSO)

Don't understand me wrong, I really appriciate your meanings to this piece and of course they called oboes(In my country they called Hobo's, my mistake)
By the way, I have humanized the tracks. Not all 34 tracks ofcourse.

With Regards,

[Jason.M.Watts]

Haha! No worries! I had no idea they were called hobos in your country! I meant no insult by that, just for the record.

Jason Watts

[Jason.M.Watts]

Oh, and by the way:

Almost every mock-up I've ever heard of a pre-existing piece of film music has sounded "synthy" and/or "mechanical".

Don't get me wrong. I've heard some really good ones by some serious pros of sample library orchestration, but they (IMO) are few and far between.

The reality is, most people here have heard these Star Wars pieces until they've become hard-wired in our brains. That's part of the reason you're getting these negative comments. Most of us have even heard these pieces played by live orchestras. While different from the original recordings, it doesn't change the fact that we are incredibly familiar with the sound of this music (and here's the imporatant part) performed or recorded by live orchestras, not sequenced with samples.

A mock-up of a Williams piece of film music has a lot to live up to, and it's almost impossible to reach those standards with sample libraries.

Also, people need to consider the amount of time you've put in. You could conceivably continue to work on this, and one day have it sounding very authentic.

With new, original music it's harder to pinpoint things like "synthiness", and the "mechanical" sound unless you know for a fact that the composer didn't intend it to sound that way. That's another big difference: We know what Williams intended with his Star Wars scores because we've heard them so many times, and when someone does a mock-up, we are comparing it to that.

Don't take forum members' comments too harshly. Most of them are trying to help, and give beneficial comments and criticisms. At other times, they just don't quite understand what you are going for.

As an example, I created a mock-up of Jerry Goldsmith's "Star Trek: Voyager" theme several years ago. Initially it was very lacking in detail, and got a lot of the "synthy/mechanical" comments from my friends. What they failed to understand was that I wasn't intending to spend a massive amount of time working on a mock-up of someone else's music. I did it for the enjoyment, and the learning process, not to try and "one-up" the original recording. However, about six months later I replaced some samples with better ones, spent a bit of free time tweaking, and eventually got it to the point where my Trek nerd friends thought it was like listening to the soundtrack from "Voyager". But regardless, that was not my original intention.

So again, forum members aren't always sure what the express purpose of mocking-up a piece of existing music is for the person creating it. This in itself can create some confusion as to what type of comments/criticism you are looking for.

Personally, I like your mock-up of this piece. Does it sound like the LSO recording? No. Will it ever? No. But that doesn't mean it was a waste of time by any means. You have and will continue to learn from it, and I enjoyed hearing what could be done with the piece using EW samples. My guess is you will continue to refine it, and make it sound even better. And if you do, I hope you post the results!



Jason Watts