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Old 08-07-2018, 05:42 AM
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Hi there community - just joined the site and about to take the plunge (I think) into the composer cloud x package. Before I do a little about me and the question I have.

I'm getting back into music production after a 5 year hiatus or so due to family commitments. I'm a seasoned musician and my main area of interest is orchestral pieces for film (think star wars, back to the future, beauty and the beast and a lot of the stuff covered by Hal Leonard etc) and other ambient pieces with light jazz etc. This is why I think the composer cloud would be perfect for me. I just don't have the spare cash to dump a grand into Komplete.

I wanted to ask a workflow question for composer cloud and whether I'd have to use multiple variations of an instrument to get the desired effect.

For example, I notice that the string pack on composer cloud has many different variations of the violin. In the current sheet music I'm looking at, over the course of a 4 bar piece by the 1st violin it switches from regular playing, to staccato to tremelo. Would I have to use a separate patch and play each violin piece individually? Or, would I be able to achieve that by technical playing and movement of the mod wheel? Or would I be able to fix it in post afterwards.

If it is the case that I need to use a different patch for each bar, I'm guessing that I'll have to define what types of violins I'll need and load channels for each of those first and switch between. I'm just concerned that it might not sound as fluid as playing the piece in one go. I'm using reaper btw.

I don't think I'll this problem when using the woodwind and brass sections but if there's any information on that as well it would be gratefully received.

Thanks in advance and sorry if this seems quite a newbie question. Happy to provider more information if you wish.

Steve
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Old 08-07-2018, 07:51 AM
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Hey Steve,

Would I have to use a separate patch and play each violin piece individually?
Correct.

Or, would I be able to achieve that by technical playing and movement of the mod wheel?
No. Well, patch-dependent and what you're aiming for.

Or would I be able to fix it in post afterwards.
No. Well, theoretically possible, but that would require a ton of post-work
and it would only be a digital approximation of the intended sound.

I'm guessing that I'll have to define what types of violins I'll need
and load channels for each of those first and switch between.

You can use either Keyswitches (check screenshot below for what
that would look like - Reaper, btw.) or go multi-timbral (p.75).
http://www.soundsonline-forums.com/d...ser-Manual.pdf



I'm just concerned that it might not sound as fluid as playing the piece in one go.
Check out the link "Tips and Tricks" in my signature and then especially
the first follow-up link. That's an old post of mine with links on how to use
VSTis in a DAW.

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Old 08-07-2018, 08:18 AM
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Thank you very much.

The resources you linked me look amazing. I'll check them out tonight. Sounds like from what you are saying it can be done, you just need to find the solution!

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Thank you very much.

The resources you linked me look amazing. I'll check them out tonight. Sounds like from what you are saying it can be done, you just need to find the solution!

Steve
I would also take a look at Cubase, it has Expression maps, which is what you are describing.
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I would also take a look at Cubase, it has Expression maps, which is what you are describing.
Thanks I used cubase in college (some 20 years ago) and loved it but its a bit out of my price range at the moment. I'll keep it in mind though
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I would also take a look at Cubase, it has Expression maps, which is what you are describing.
Should also mention that I have fl studio. Big omission!
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Old 08-07-2018, 01:38 PM
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Right I've watched those videos you recommended. They are really helpful.

My next question - what EW packages have the dynamic cross fade feature he mentioned? This would be perfect for some of the orchestral swells I will need to do.
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