QLegato and other Pro info

[Scott Rogers]

I already posted this in another thread regarding the Pro upgrade, but I'm afraid it may have inadvertently slipped under the radar, so I'll go ahead and post it again.

Originally Posted by Scott Rogers

And at this point I don't think most people even care about hearing the big, official, "production piece" types of demos. If only just a single instrument and/or violin section would play a line at a moderate tempo with small and larger intervals to demonstrate the QLegato feature, that would be nice.

Or at the very least, it would be helpful if we could have some insight into what QLegato actually is. Is it a connecting mechanism that will enable a legato like joining of the various sustains already in existence, or is it an entire intrument in and of itself which has no bearing on the various other sustains. If you can, please tell us how applicable the QLegato is going to be across the range of samples, and in what ways.

And I'm also wondering about the staccatos (in the Pro upgrade). The library needs some very short, secco staccatos for double and triple-tonguing and fast tonguing in tempos where you have 16ths where a quarter is equal to, say, 172 bpm. The present big fat staccatos are fine for times when they are needed, but they're all at least two times as long and large as what some of the faster tempos require.

So even if a few simple examples can't be posted yet, a few details would really be appreciated.

Thanks.

[deathadder79]

Or at the very least, it would be helpful if we could have some insight into what QLegato actually is. Is it a connecting mechanism that will enable a legato like joining of the various sustains already in existence, or is it an entire intrument in and of itself which has no bearing on the various other sustains. If you can, please tell us how applicable the QLegato is going to be across the range of samples, and in what ways.

Thanks for posting this... I am wondering exactly the same thing, but felt embarrassed to ask... It seemed like everyone already knew exactly what is was, so I thought I missed some post or info blurb or something... glad to know I'm not alone.

[Nick Phoenix]

The QLegato samples are all new samples that sound naturally connected in a pristine way. There is no pitch sliding, although we did sample some of that also.

[Scott Rogers]

Nick, do they connect the already existing sustains? I'm trying to figure out if they are a means of connecting the new and the old sustains from both libraries.

Thanks.

[synergy543]

If you have RA try the Erhu keyswitching C#0 compared to C0. I think this might be what Nick was referring to.

You get a distinct down bow on C0 and a smooth legato with C#0.
Switching between the two works quite well I think.

Gregory D. Moore

[Scott Rogers]

Please, can we have a little more information on the QLegato? I know you're all very busy, what with being on the cusp of some major releases, and I don't want you to give out any trade secrets, but I'm really just looking for some clarifying information regarding the QLegato. If I haven't explained well enough what it is I'm wanting to know, please tell me and I'll try again.

Thank you.

[deathadder79]

Hi Scott,

I'm not an expert, so take this with a grain of salt... but judging by what was said above and my own use of RA, as well as the very few tidbits in the PDF RA manual... it appears that QLegato is basically just samples with a very soft initial attack that quickly swells up... unlike traditional legato samples, which slowly swell up, these can be played at a quick tempo and still sound good... unlike non legato samples, the initial attack is soft and you don't hear obvious re-articulations (to a certain extent)... it still sounds like someone playing a wind or bowed instrument on a keyboard, though (might be my sub par skills).

this isn't quite the same as having the transition samples to work with (at least, I don't think), like the VSL performance tool... but at the same time, it's a lot easier and quicker than editing the patches and/or volume curves - though tweaking will still likely be needed for a completely realistic legato... and it seems like they will be a heck of a lot easier to work with compared to the EWQLSO legato samples…

others, please feel free to correct this information if it is wrong...

[Toxikator]

I think that the samples are recorded as "hammer-on" (forgive the guitarist lingo). for example, play a C or whatever and then PLAY legato to D, then sample JUST the noise of the starting D. this way, the natural 'chaining' of notes sounds natural (since the D isn't an individual note, it's what it would sound like in a legato phrase). This of course, doesn't work for large jumps or serious slurring (like a slide on a solo violin).

Compared to VSL legato: VSL legato works like Vocaloid. It samples the sound BETWEEN EVERY PAIR OF NOTES and loads the transition samples between notes. this is great for realistic slides and the like, but the problem is that it's tempo-determinate (very slow phrases will sound jumpy, and very fast phrases can outpace the transition samples and get some irritating sounds). theoretically, Qlegato should work better EXCEPT in the case of slides, because you can use it at any tempo, and it seems Nick and Doug have had enough insight to add some slides as well, in case you need them.

Tox

[Scott Rogers]

Thank you DeathAdder and Toxikator. (Why do I suddenly feel like a member of a Hell's Angels biker gang? )

If both of you are correct, or even close, it sounds like QLegato will not be applicable to connecting the already existing sustains and so its use will be very limited. At least that's what I am led to believe based on the dearth of information we have been given about it. But I'm tired of asking for specific information only to get nothing in return and I pretty much give up at this point.

[Doug Rogers]

Originally Posted by Scott Rogers

Thank you DeathAdder and Toxikator. (Why do I suddenly feel like a member of a Hell's Angels biker gang? )

If both of you are correct, or even close, it sounds like QLegato will not be applicable to connecting the already existing sustains and so its use will be very limited. At least that's what I am led to believe based on the dearth of information we have been given about it. But I'm tired of asking for specific information only to get nothing in return and I pretty much give up at this point.

Scott,

QLegato is hard to explain, it's easier to demonstrate, and that will happen in the near future.

- Doug