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Old 05-21-2006, 11:57 AM
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Default What is the standard format that composers are getting movies in these days?

Are they still delivering films to composers on videotape at 29.97 fps (ndf)? Have they switched to digital format for delivering to composers? If so what is the standard file format .avi? .mov? Is SMPTE still used in LA?

When 24fps film is converted to digital format, how does that effect the fps and what does that mean for the composer in terms of synchonozation? If I dump a quicktime movie into my sequencer that was xfered from 24 fps film, does that mean I can set my seq. to 24fps and be OK? In other words, when calculating tempos for a score based on a digital clip is it safe to assume that the tempos that work in the sequencer will work at the final dub for the final lock?
With SMPTE there is a universal timecode for the clip and what the composer gets will invariably work at the final dub because they are using the same timecode. With digital however, there doesn't seem to be a universal timecode, so how do you know for sure that your music will lock up exactly as you want it? If there are slight discrepancies in the fps and timecode what beginas as a perfect synch will be out of synch by the end of the clip.

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Are they still delivering films to composers on videotape at 29.97 fps (ndf)? Have they switched to digital format for delivering to composers? If so what is the standard file format .avi? .mov? Is SMPTE still used in LA?

When 24fps film is converted to digital format, how does that effect the fps and what does that mean for the composer in terms of synchonozation? If I dump a quicktime movie into my sequencer that was xfered from 24 fps film, does that mean I can set my seq. to 24fps and be OK? In other words, when calculating tempos for a score based on a digital clip is it safe to assume that the tempos that work in the sequencer will work at the final dub for the final lock?
With SMPTE there is a universal timecode for the clip and what the composer gets will invariably work at the final dub because they are using the same timecode. With digital however, there doesn't seem to be a universal timecode, so how do you know for sure that your music will lock up exactly as you want it? If there are slight discrepancies in the fps and timecode what beginas as a perfect synch will be out of synch by the end of the clip.

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what do you mean for digital ?

a quick time can be a converted PAL as well NTSC ...
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Are they still delivering films to composers on videotape at 29.97 fps (ndf)? Have they switched to digital format for delivering to composers? If so what is the standard file format .avi? .mov? Is SMPTE still used in LA?

When 24fps film is converted to digital format, how does that effect the fps and what does that mean for the composer in terms of synchonozation? If I dump a quicktime movie into my sequencer that was xfered from 24 fps film, does that mean I can set my seq. to 24fps and be OK? In other words, when calculating tempos for a score based on a digital clip is it safe to assume that the tempos that work in the sequencer will work at the final dub for the final lock?
With SMPTE there is a universal timecode for the clip and what the composer gets will invariably work at the final dub because they are using the same timecode. With digital however, there doesn't seem to be a universal timecode, so how do you know for sure that your music will lock up exactly as you want it? If there are slight discrepancies in the fps and timecode what beginas as a perfect synch will be out of synch by the end of the clip.

many questions, I know. Thanks!
Can't answer all of these, but maybe some.

Quicktime file format (.mov) seems to be the standard for visuals these days. If you get yourself a copy of Quicktime Pro then that should cover most conversions between digital formats. As far as sync is concerned, once you have digital visuals it ceases to be an issue. However, it's best to set your sequencer to the frame rate of the .mov so that the diplayed frame rate matches that of the original picture - that way you can hit certain frames with your music, when needed.

But more, I cannot say...

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Quicktime file format (.mov) seems to be the standard for visuals these days.....
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Not on PC it isn't...........!

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many questions, I know. Thanks!
Miles - just take alook at this to start with. Should be helpful and it's cheap.

http://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/logicVideoEds
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Not on PC it isn't...........!

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Well, it is on MY PC!

Obviously, I'm not saying that every movie you get will be a .mov, but given the predominance of Macs within the professional sector (particularly the visuals sector) I think it's safe to say it's more than likely.
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Well, it is on MY PC!

Obviously, I'm not saying that every movie you get will be a .mov, but given the predominance of Macs within the professional sector (particularly the visuals sector) I think it's safe to say it's more than likely.
I think depends also from what sequencer you are using..

on my pc quick tiem work well with Cubase..
working on a project that have footage coming from a dvd.. so had to do a lot of passage to get a proper quick time.. but if someone is doing it for u ..well even better
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Composers get their work in different formats. Quicktime files, VHS, SVHS, 3/4" Umatic...

As for the frame rate, you made the question more difficult than it is.

"When 24fps film..."

Film is transferred to video not at 24, but one tenth of a percent slower: 23.98. This will sync to video, wich doesn't really run at 30, but 29.97. Hence, the time code runs at a rate of 29.97. When the film is transferred to "digital format" it is not running at 24, but at 23.98; therefore, the digital file is not 24 but 23.98. Your sequencer should be running at 29.97.

24 = 30
23.98 = 29.97

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When the film is transferred to "digital format" it is not running at 24, but at 23.98; therefore, the digital file is not 24 but 23.98. Your sequencer should be running at 29.97.
You mean the sequencer should be running at 23.98. You said the digital file is 23.98; sequencer and video should be identical, right?

Do all digital video forms .mov, .avi etc all run at 29.97? SI this df or non drop frame? How do you know what fps a file is?
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when you use the term "video" what do you mean? Is that a blanket term for video tape, umatic tape, .mov files, .avi files? Do ALL of these "video" formats run at the same speed: 29.97 ndf?
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